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Looking for1894 30WCF "Trapper" info
April 17, 2017
6:04 pm
Sun City, AZ
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Have a 15" Model 1894 "Trapper" Carbine circa 1913, sn# 702435 and would like some help.  First what is the proper name for this gun?  9 3/8 (approx.) forearm, Carbine stock with brass trapdoor butt plate. 

There's group of pictures on my website, http://www.azguns.com . Don't pay any attention to the price, it was required to post the entry with pictures.  Letter on order from Cody but was downgraded to the $40 version which sounds like it will not contain much information.  I have been  searching the books I have available but can only find Short Rifles.  Is the Short Carbine classified under this title? 

Any information would be appreciated

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April 17, 2017
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Winchester simply referred to it as a "Carbine", regardless of the barrel length.  The name "Trapper" is a collector's term.

In regards to your Model 1894 Carbine, there are several issues that I see with it;

First, either the barrel has been cut down (shortened), or the forend stock is not original.  On the short barreled Carbines "Trappers", Winchester used a 7-7/8" forend stock.  The 9-3/8" length was used on the standard 20" Carbines.

Second, Winchester did not uses a "brass" trap door butt plate on any Model 1894.

Last, unless you have a BATF exemption letter, your Model 1894 Carbine is an illegal "SBR" (Short Barrelled Rifle) per the NFA of 1934.


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April 17, 2017
8:40 pm
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Thanks Bert.  I figured the butt stock was replaced as it is an 1 shorter than the stock one on a 94 25-35 SRC I have and, of course, the brass butt plate.  And plus it has an extra hole or two. Also the 25-35, sn# 661090, barrel is about 1/32" or so longer than the mag tube.  If this is a cut down Carbine whoever did it did an outstanding job on the crown which looks exactly like the 25-35.  Overall this gun is pretty much trashed with the bore looking even worse than the barrel and receiver.  With a strong light and vivid imagination you may be able to detect a hint of rifling.  Pitting is the bores strongpoint.

Have contacted AFT and waiting to hear what they want me to do next.  Even if this Shorty is a workshop chop job it has personality.

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