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…configuration and location of the front band positively confirm that it cannot be an altered Flat band. Lastly, approximately 50% of the Flat band carbines have a Type 3 receiver frame and corresponding butt stock. It is not possible to install a "rifle" butt stock on a Type 3 receiver.
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…configuration and location of the front band positively confirm that it cannot be an altered Flat band. Lastly, approximately 50% of the Flat band carbines have a Type 3 receiver frame and corresponding butt stock. It is not possible to install a "rifle" butt stock on a Type 3 receiver.
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…how many buffing wheels someone wore out on this old carbine trying to get all the pitting out? I kinda like the boar scene on the stock but would never do that to a gun.
Mike
…with the above comments on the rear sight. First thing that comes to my mind is that an incorrect rear sight, never stopped me from buying a model 1886.
With that being said, I re read you're post, after reading what Steven stated above, and if there's a chance that you're rifle is a special
…H. said
I will add that the early Model 1886 rifles are also found with a "Sporting Leaf" rear sight that resembles a Carbine ladder sight but are longer in length.
Bert
Yes , exactly! It is also mentioned as standard for the 45-70 in contemporary catalogues
…H. said
I will add that the early Model 1886 rifles are also found with a "Sporting Leaf" rear sight that resembles a Carbine ladder sight but are longer in length.
Bert
And they are sometimes marked “1876” as they were manufactured originally for the Model 1876
…said
I bought this 1906 32-20 carbine recently. Solid, properly functioning gun. When I got it home I discovered a very small bulge in the barrel 4" from the muzzle. Now I can see it
…will add that the early Model 1886 rifles are also found with a "Sporting Leaf" rear sight that resembles a Carbine ladder sight but are longer in length.
Bert
…agree with Bert, my first year production 1886 in 45-70 has a buckhorn.
…am relatively certain that the standard rear sight was a Rocky Mountain sporting (buckhorn) sight on the standard Model 1886 Sporting rifle.
Bert
…bought this 1906 32-20 carbine recently. Solid, properly functioning gun. When I got it home I discovered a very small bulge in the barrel 4" from the muzzle. Now I can see it
…should have a steel butt plate. The forend stock was intended for a post-1950 Model 94.
Winchester used walnut to stock the standard Model 94 Carbines through 1980. That stated, the Model 94 Ranger (an economy variant) was stocked with Birchwood.
Bert
…just remembered, the 405 gr I use for Trapdoor Carbine loads I believe.
…Bert H. said
Steven Gabrielli said
Just my two cents, but I only shoot 2F out of my 1886 1st year production run and my Sharps (Pedersoli) 45-70s. I have to check my load data, but it’s somewhere around 62 grains below a 520 grain…
…cast bullet in the Sharps.
Steve,
Your load will not shoot accurately in an original Model 1886 chambered for the 45-90 WCF as the rifling twist rate is way too slow to stabilize a bullet that heavy/large. Winchester used a 1:32 twist rate…
…a 45-90 WCF.
Bert
I agree Bert, I only shoot those 520s out of the Sharps and my original Trapdoors. I used a Lyman mold 457124 for the 1886, it was around 386 grains cause that’s what I had lying around, I don’t shoot it much. I also had a handful loaded with 405 grains for some reason,
…H. said
Steven Gabrielli said
Just my two cents, but I only shoot 2F out of my 1886 1st year production run and my Sharps (Pedersoli) 45-70s. I have to check my load data, but it’s somewhere around 62 grains below a 520 grain…
…cast bullet in the Sharps.
Steve,
Your load will not shoot accurately in an original Model 1886 chambered for the 45-90 WCF as the rifling twist rate is way too slow to stabilize a bullet that heavy/large. Winchester used a 1:32 twist rate
…Gabrielli said
Just my two cents, but I only shoot 2F out of my 1886 1st year production run and my Sharps (Pedersoli) 45-70s. I have to check my load data, but it’s somewhere around 62 grains below a 520 grain…
…cast bullet in the Sharps.
Steve,
Your load will not shoot accurately in an original Model 1886 chambered for the 45-90 WCF as the rifling twist rate is way too slow to stabilize a bullet that heavy/large. Winchester used a 1:32 twist rate
…my two cents, but I only shoot 2F out of my 1886 1st year production run and my Sharps (Pedersoli) 45-70s. I have to check my load data, but it’s somewhere around 62 grains below a 520 grain
…you might find a rifle with them on it but you might have to buy the rifle just to get the Lyman 21 for your 405! I am after a 21 myself for my 303 carbine....
sounds like we will both be chasing around for an original 21 - best of luck they are very scarce I am finding
In my
…said
I can't help because I've got a modern 1886 in 45-90 I haven't fired yet and look forward to what our experts have to say in response.
One question. I assume you didn't have any ignition
…can't help because I've got a modern 1886 in 45-90 I haven't fired yet and look forward to what our experts have to say in response.
One question. I assume you didn't have any ignition
…spent several hours reading a lot of the existing threads on this, but am posting anyway as some of what I'm wondering isn't answered.
I have an 1886 from 1887 chambered in 45-90. It has a 4xxx serial number, and based on what I read, seems to not have a nickel barrel.
My friend who is
…reasons I cast bullets. Lyman's 457122 (Gould design) HP would be historically accurate. A gas check is not necessary for loads I'd fire in your 1886. Mike Venturino was a big fan of 5744 powder but unless you share his apparent love of bore scrubbing I'd try 4198 using a published load for BP
…said
mrcvs said
You really need to work the action of the 1886 off your shoulder, it works better that way.
How much did this cost you? Maybe you got a bargain, you never know.
I'm afraid to say,
…is a beautiful deluxe '86. I would not touch that rifle with a tool for sure!! I've had five original 1886's as well as the Browning (Miroku) 1886 SRC. I would say that the '86 has the most resistance of a variety of original levergun makes and models and I have to intentionally hold it pretty
…Exuma said
I just bought an 1886 in 45-90 from 1887. I wanted to completely break it down to clean it.
I noticed when I lever the gun, when it hits the first bit of resistance
…mrcvs said
You really need to work the action of the 1886 off your shoulder, it works better that way.
How much did this cost you? Maybe you got a bargain, you never know.
I'm afraid to say,
…really need to work the action of the 1886 off your shoulder, it works better that way.
How much did this cost you? Maybe you got a bargain, you never know.
…said
Exuma, very nice looking 1886
Are you familiar with the amount of effort required to ‘lever’ a Winchester when the gun is on one’s shoulder? Gently may not be the best way.…
…I just loved how it looked, and I want to shoot it!
I do have about a dozen lever guns so I know how much is standard to lever them for a Miroku 1886. I also have 2 authentic 1894s which are smooth as butter, but an entirely different action.
This is my first actual authentic 1886, so in that
… very nice looking 1886
Are you familiar with the amount of effort required to ‘lever’ a Winchester when the gun is on one’s shoulder? Gently may not be the best way.
…said
RETHBY said
Winchester Model 94 30-30 saddle ring carbine SAN QUENTIN STATE PRISON
This was part of the bidding paperwork from the…
…initial sale
You are bidding on a SPECIAL ORDER Winchester model 94 Carbine (w/saddle ring) that was made in 1968 for the CA State Prison System.
It is in good condition, 100% original, un-touched and un-cleaned as…
…. It shows obvious wear as is to be expected for a gun of this type.
Made in 1968 to Dep't of Corrections specifications, this special order carbine features a SADDLE RING (for securing to the cable on the gantry walk above the prison grounds) as well as a MILLED LIFTER (and associated parts)…
…to someone like the George Cake Co, F Morton Pitt, Cheshire and Perez, etc..
Is the gun marked anywhere? CDC?
Interesting that your carbine does not have the milled lifter.
