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Bert H. said
Ian,
The latest dated "R&R" entry I have found (verified) thus for a Model 1886 is March 1919. Based on the second factory letter below, it appears that the records were still in the warehouse as late as December 1921.
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Bert
I think that records for this being available for the 1886 as late as 1921 makes it unlikely that this was reverted back to .50 Express at the factory. Not to say it didn’t happen after 1921, but unlikely
…H. said
Ian,
The latest dated "R&R" entry I have found (verified) thus for a Model 1886 is March 1919. Based on the second factory letter below, it appears that the records were still in the warehouse as late as December 1921.
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Bert
I think that records for this being available for the 1886 as late as 1921 makes it unlikely that this was reverted back to .50 Express at the factory. Not to say it didn’t happen after 1921, but unlikely
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The latest dated "R&R" entry I have found (verified) thus for a Model 1886 is March 1919. Based on the second factory letter below, it appears that the records were still in the warehouse as late as December 1921.
…said
I also have this 1886 50 EXP with a letter. It seems it went back to the factory for a smaller caliber, and the 50 Exp barrel subsequently put back on. I am posting pics…
…Bill
So as not to confuse with the original subject matter of this thread…I am replying to this specific post as it relates to this Model 1886 rifle.
I created this thread specifically because of this rifle:
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/whats-the-latest…
…records existed well into the teens, like it appears they do—although we have not established a specific latest possible R & R date for the Model 1886–it becomes increasingly unlikely that the work was factory. By the 1920s, the Model 1886 was only chambered in .45-70 and .33 Winchester, and
…is a .50 express. All the internals that were specific to an original .50 express are present with this rifle. I'd much rather have a takedown M1886 in .50 express than in .33WCF (and many here know how fond I am of the .33 WCF).
A final thought. It can't be proven that the original
…cobra2858 said
I also have this 1886 50 EXP with a letter. It seems it went back to the factory for a smaller caliber, and the 50 Exp barrel subsequently put back on. I am posting pics
…was interesting had it still existed for two reasons that make this carbine unique:
1. It’s a way to have an antique .33 Winchester Model 1886 even though the .33 Winchester round did not come out until 1903, and, therefore, most are not pre 1899;
2. You would have a .33 Winchester
…also have this 1886 50 EXP with a letter. It seems it went back to the factory for a smaller caliber, and the 50 Exp barrel subsequently put back on. I am posting pics
…carbine. The M1886 carbine was standardly produced with a carbine buttstock and carbine buttplate. I have seen M1886's with special order rifle buttstocks (and they lettered). It's also not uncommon that buttstocks got swapped as a M1886 rifle buttstock will…
…readily fit on a M1886 carbine. If your carbine is original, I think it would be quite uncommon as I have never seen a rifle buttstock on a .50 Express carbine. As…
…or on the metal on the right inside of the tang. I'd also take the forearm off to see what markings are on the under side of the barrel.
All M1886's (carbine or rifles) in .50 caliber took some additional manufacturing steps (e.g. machining of some of the internals of action, as well as
…have a 1886 Saddle Ring Carbine in 50 EXP. It is in a small group of rifles that records are not available for some reason. I believe this is an original 50
…rouged-up pig in a poke.
I would no more look to "invest" five or ten thousand dollars in a putatively high condition, 90 year-old Winchester 1886 all by myself [without getting numerous opinions from our true experts] than I would go shopping in Algiers for a piece of the True Cross,
…Model 1886 in 45-70, manufactured in April 1888. This was found in a wall in an old house in North St Louis Missouri leaning against a sewer pipe. We had to
…just in jest. Just this week, we received our first ever request to include a pinch of dad's ashes in a crucible with the receiver of his favorite 1886 for case color hardening. I must admit that I hadn't considered that particular ingredient in the recipe before. Mark
Mark, If I have
…just in jest. Just this week, we received our first ever request to include a pinch of dad's ashes in a crucible with the receiver of his favorite 1886 for case color hardening. I must admit that I hadn't considered that particular ingredient in the recipe before. Mark
Considering the
…just in jest. Just this week, we received our first ever request to include a pinch of dad's ashes in a crucible with the receiver of his favorite 1886 for case color hardening. I must admit that I hadn't considered that particular ingredient in the recipe before. Mark
…with the above comments on the rear sight. First thing that comes to my mind is that an incorrect rear sight, never stopped me from buying a model 1886.
With that being said, I re read you're post, after reading what Steven stated above, and if there's a chance that you're rifle is a special
…H. said
I will add that the early Model 1886 rifles are also found with a "Sporting Leaf" rear sight that resembles a Carbine ladder sight but are longer in length.
Bert
Yes , exactly
…H. said
I will add that the early Model 1886 rifles are also found with a "Sporting Leaf" rear sight that resembles a Carbine ladder sight but are longer in length.
Bert
And they are
…will add that the early Model 1886 rifles are also found with a "Sporting Leaf" rear sight that resembles a Carbine ladder sight but are longer in length.
Bert
…agree with Bert, my first year production 1886 in 45-70 has a buckhorn.
…am relatively certain that the standard rear sight was a Rocky Mountain sporting (buckhorn) sight on the standard Model 1886 Sporting rifle.
Bert
…Bert H. said
Steven Gabrielli said
Just my two cents, but I only shoot 2F out of my 1886 1st year production run and my Sharps (Pedersoli) 45-70s. I have to check my load data, but it’s somewhere around 62 grains below a 520 grain…
…cast bullet in the Sharps.
Steve,
Your load will not shoot accurately in an original Model 1886 chambered for the 45-90 WCF as the rifling twist rate is way too slow to stabilize a bullet that heavy/large. Winchester used a 1:32 twist rate…
…a 45-90 WCF.
Bert
I agree Bert, I only shoot those 520s out of the Sharps and my original Trapdoors. I used a Lyman mold 457124 for the 1886, it was around 386 grains cause that’s what I had lying around, I don’t shoot it much. I also had a handful loaded with 405 grains for some reason,
…H. said
Steven Gabrielli said
Just my two cents, but I only shoot 2F out of my 1886 1st year production run and my Sharps (Pedersoli) 45-70s. I have to check my load data, but it’s somewhere around 62 grains below a 520 grain…
…cast bullet in the Sharps.
Steve,
Your load will not shoot accurately in an original Model 1886 chambered for the 45-90 WCF as the rifling twist rate is way too slow to stabilize a bullet that heavy/large. Winchester used a 1:32 twist rate
…Gabrielli said
Just my two cents, but I only shoot 2F out of my 1886 1st year production run and my Sharps (Pedersoli) 45-70s. I have to check my load data, but it’s somewhere around 62 grains below a 520 grain…
…cast bullet in the Sharps.
Steve,
Your load will not shoot accurately in an original Model 1886 chambered for the 45-90 WCF as the rifling twist rate is way too slow to stabilize a bullet that heavy/large. Winchester used a 1:32 twist rate
…my two cents, but I only shoot 2F out of my 1886 1st year production run and my Sharps (Pedersoli) 45-70s. I have to check my load data, but it’s somewhere around 62 grains below a 520 grain
…said
I can't help because I've got a modern 1886 in 45-90 I haven't fired yet and look forward to what our experts have to say in response.
One question. I assume you didn't have any ignition
…can't help because I've got a modern 1886 in 45-90 I haven't fired yet and look forward to what our experts have to say in response.
One question. I assume you didn't have any ignition
…spent several hours reading a lot of the existing threads on this, but am posting anyway as some of what I'm wondering isn't answered.
I have an 1886 from 1887 chambered in 45-90. It has a 4xxx serial number, and based on what I read, seems to not have a nickel barrel.
My friend who is
…reasons I cast bullets. Lyman's 457122 (Gould design) HP would be historically accurate. A gas check is not necessary for loads I'd fire in your 1886. Mike Venturino was a big fan of 5744 powder but unless you share his apparent love of bore scrubbing I'd try 4198 using a published load for BP
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mrcvs said
You really need to work the action of the 1886 off your shoulder, it works better that way.
How much did this cost you? Maybe you got a bargain, you never know.
I'm afraid to say,
