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October 9, 2015 - 1:24 am
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I am thinking about buying a very nice looking (90%-95%) Model 1892 38-40 rifle manufactured in 1894.  The only negative is light to medium pitting in the bore.  The rifling is sharp even at the muzzle pitting not withstanding.  The selling price is about 1/2 Blue Book value.

On a percentage basis, how much should I deduct from the Blue Book price because of the pitting?

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harry

PS: Tried to upload photo of rifle and got: HTTP Error. Upload URL might be wrong or doesn’t exist.

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Harry,

The error could be your trying to upload too big of picture. Your limited to 3 meg max.

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Right now there is a Java problem that limits .jpg photos to under 1 meg.  That results in the error message:

 
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Upload URL might be wrong or doesn’t exist.

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Right now there is a Java problem that limits .jpg uploads to under 1 meg.

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WELL THANKS FOR TELLING US. Now I know what size photos I can actually post!

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In answer to your question. I have seen very nice rifles with bad bores and even the real nice ones have a problem in resale should that time ever come, and it does, believe me. At the very best, this rifle is considered a “excuse gun”. You will show it off and then make excuses for the bore.

I know some collectors that do not care, especially making a great deal like you. A bad bore also does not mean the rifle will not shoot well. I have a M1890 in 22 long with a toasted bore and it still shoots reasonably well.

I am a bore freak and will not buy a gun with a bad bore.  I have over 130 guns and only two have a bad bore. The M1890 and it was a gift from a friend, and a fairly nice M1894 rifle in 32-40, and at $300 I could not pass on it. That was my cost in a trade.

BTW, the Blue Book is not a good indicator of actual selling or buying values. A M1892 in 90 to 95% condition is a collectors prize. If it were a 44-40 I would be tempted. Generally M1892’s tend to be a little expensive. What is the seller asking for this fine rifle? Round or octagon bbl.? Big Larry

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Big Larry:

$2500 and round barrel.

I was also able to download a image once I reduced the size.

 

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Hello Harry,

If you will send me any and all photos you might have of the rifle I will be glad to advise in any way I can.  I own more than 40 1892’s and have looked at thousands of them in my research.  I am glad to help.  There were many changes made during the production of these rifles and you need to make certain that the rifle is correct for its SN range.   What is the serial number of the gun?  My email is in the beginning of the pages of this link:

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Hello again Harry,

 I received the zip file of images.  The flash photos makes it hard to be real accurate because of the glare and contrast.  It would be much better if the photos were done outdoors in open shade light without the flash.  The rifle is in fine shape but probably would be grade more in the 85% range than 90 to 95%.  The bluing is definitely thin on the barrel and the magazine tube especially.  There are a few little bumps and scratches on the wood but the rifle has seen little use or wear since it was manufactured.  There is still visible case color on the lever and hammer.  All of the stamp styles and placement are correct for the serial number range of the rifle and it is 100% original.  A few screws have a bit of marks on them.  If the price really is $2500 it is a darn good buy even with the slightly poor bore.  I am sure it will be extremely accurate.

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