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Selling two nice Lyman 1A sights
March 19, 2021
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Larry,

I’ve been looking for a Lyman No. 1 Combination Tang Sight- Second Variation with a “D” code marked on the underside of the sight base, for my circa 1900 Model 1892, 32-20, pistol grip semi deluxe. It will have the hairspring locking device as apposed to the later thumb locking device. Has to be in 90% or better condition.

Do you have anything?

Thanks,

Al

March 19, 2021
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tionesta1 said
It will have the hairspring locking device as apposed to the later thumb locking device.

Impossible–no Lyman sight of any kind incorporated a hairspring, which is a component of watches, as Google can explain further.  #1 & 2 sights were built around what Lyman called a spring-bolt

Very fair prices, by the way.

March 20, 2021
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clarence said

tionesta1 said
It will have the hairspring locking device as apposed to the later thumb locking device.

Impossible–no Lyman sight of any kind incorporated a hairspring, which is a component of watches, as Google can explain further.  #1 & 2 sights were built around what Lyman called a spring-bolt

Very fair prices, by the way.  

I don’t know the correct terminology. It’s the sight without the locking lever, and with the small eyepiece that flips out.

March 20, 2021
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Don’t feel bad, I’ve never heard it called a spring bolt either. I always called it the donut spring.

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tionesta1 said
Larry,

I’ve been looking for a Lyman No. 1 Combination Tang Sight- Second Variation with a “D” code marked on the underside of the sight base, for my circa 1900 Model 1892, 32-20, pistol grip semi deluxe. It will have the hairspring locking device as apposed to the later thumb locking device. Has to be in 90% or better condition.

Do you have anything?

Thanks,

Al  

Sorry Al. But no. Big Larry

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1873man said
Don’t feel bad, I’ve never heard it called a spring bolt either.
 

No one who found this ridiculous error in Stroebel’s sight book, where it originated, should feel bad.  A reader of that book would naturally assume the author had researched Lyman’s patents to find out what the part was called.

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Don’t beat the book. It is way better than the little brown Winchester book. A lot of time and effort went into that book, and I personally think Stroebel did a great job. My copy is all torn up with use.  Big Larry

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Big Larry said
Don’t beat the book. It is way better than the little brown Winchester book. A lot of time and effort went into that book, and I personally think Stroebel did a great job. My copy is all torn up with use.  Big Larry  

Larry, regardless of how much “time & effort,” should such errors just be ignored & perpetuated?  Can’t believe you think so.

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tionesta1 said
Larry,

I’ve been looking for a Lyman No. 1 Combination Tang Sight- Second Variation with a “D” code marked on the underside of the sight base, for my circa 1900 Model 1892, 32-20, pistol grip semi deluxe. It will have the hairspring locking device as apposed to the later thumb locking device. Has to be in 90% or better condition.

Do you have anything?

Thanks,

Al  

Al,

Did you see the one on Ebay, a few weeks back? I think they were asking $350.00. Not sure if it was 90 % or not, but it looked pretty nice! It had the “D” code under neath. Smile

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limestone304@aol.com said Al,

Did you see the one on Ebay, a few weeks back? I think they were asking $350.00. Not sure if it was 90 % or not, but it looked pretty nice! It had the “D” code under neath. Smile

For that price, it should have been new in the box!  It’s one of the most common variants. 

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Maybe the Gold Plating was washed off! LOL!!! Not to hijack this post, but on the second variation, why the loop at the head of the so called “Spring Bolt”? Kinda resembles some kind of Lanyard loop, which, I know none of us would use it that way. I’m guessing it was just easier than forming some kind of bolt head, or a lever that would snag! It is pretty ingenious for the time if you think about it!Smile

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limestone304@aol.com said
Maybe the Gold Plating was washed off! LOL!!! Not to hijack this post, but on the second variation, why the loop at the head of the so called “Spring Bolt”?  

Because that’s what makes it a spring–if taken out, the two “legs” have to be compressed to force it back in the base.

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The “spring bolt” is compressed as the stem is pivoted.  When the stem is in the proper upright position the spring opens up and locks the stem in it’s upright position.  Works on a similar principal as a safety pin does.  There is a notch in side the stems center that the spring bolt “springs” into.  RDB

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limestone304@aol.com said

tionesta1 said
Larry,

I’ve been looking for a Lyman No. 1 Combination Tang Sight- Second Variation with a “D” code marked on the underside of the sight base, for my circa 1900 Model 1892, 32-20, pistol grip semi deluxe. It will have the hairspring locking device as apposed to the later thumb locking device. Has to be in 90% or better condition.

Do you have anything?

Thanks,

Al  

Al,

Did you see the one on Ebay, a few weeks back? I think they were asking $350.00. Not sure if it was 90 % or not, but it looked pretty nice! It had the “D” code under neath. Smile  

No, I didn’t see that one.  Thanks.

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rogertherelic said
The “spring bolt” is compressed as the stem is pivoted.  When the stem is in the proper upright position the spring opens up and locks the stem in it’s upright position.  Works on a similar principal as a safety pin does.  There is a notch in side the stems center that the spring bolt “springs” into.  RDB  

Thanks Roger, so understanding the mechanical workings of the sight, without taking one apart, and observing. I’m understanding the workings of the “spring bolt”, but why the round, head, with a hole in it, from both sides, on the head of the spring bolt? It looks like you could place a tether, or lanyard piece of material,(rawhide), or similar through the opening, which none of us would, obviously! I’m guessing by the hollowed round, spring bolt head, it weighs less, it has a pleasant appearance, and it’s snag proof. I’d be anxious to see the Lyman patent design specs, and see if possibly, there’s any info there! Thanks again!Smile

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So in doing some searching, I was having some trouble, trying to find original patent illustrations showing the rounded “Spring Bolt Head”, verses any other possible bolt head that Lyman might have used or considered, or even explaining why they chose the design that they chose. In my search, I did discover some more interesting facts, on the WACA forum, post started by Eagle, and Bert and Brad commented, and on 9/5/2016, Brad has some nice Illustrations, from a re printed Cornell Publications, of a Lyman 1889 Catalog. Very good info., although still not explaining the info. that my curiosity is hounding me about, the rounded head on the spring bolt! I’ll keep searching.

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limestone, I believe you aren’t getting the simpleness of the spring bolt’s operation.  Look at a safety pin from the side (ignore the locking clasp).  See the hole where the springing action is made?  That is in conjunction with the ring that sticks out on the side of the sight.  Two internal “ears” on the end of the spring bolt lock into the reliefs milled inside of the stems pivot hole.  The locking nut on the opposite side of the ring is used for adjusting the angle of the stem for final upright position.  I hope this makes some sense.  RDB

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rogertherelic said
The locking nut on the opposite side of the ring is used for adjusting the angle of the stem for final upright position. 

If the loop has any “purpose,” it’s as an easy way to make this adjustment–by running a nail, screwdriver, etc through the loop to twist it; not my idea–explained in early catalogs.

By the way, what’s the “purpose” of the ring at one end of safety pins?  To run a string through if someone wants to make a safety pin necklace?  I seriously doubt it–it’s just the way the wire has to be twisted to make a spring out of a piece of straight wire.

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rogertherelic said
limestone, I believe you aren’t getting the simpleness of the spring bolt’s operation.  Look at a safety pin from the side (ignore the locking clasp).  See the hole where the springing action is made?  That is in conjunction with the ring that sticks out on the side of the sight.  Two internal “ears” on the end of the spring bolt lock into the reliefs milled inside of the stems pivot hole.  The locking nut on the opposite side of the ring is used for adjusting the angle of the stem for final upright position.  I hope this makes some sense.  RDB  

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rogertherelic said
The locking nut on the opposite side of the ring is used for adjusting the angle of the stem for final upright position. 

If the loop has any “purpose,” it’s as an easy way to make this adjustment–by running a nail, screwdriver, etc through the loop to twist it; not my idea–explained in early catalogs.

By the way, what’s the “purpose” of the ring at one end of safety pins?  To run a string through if someone wants to make a safety pin necklace?  I seriously doubt it–it’s just the way the wire has to be twisted to make a spring out of a piece of straight wire.  

Gentlemen, I appreciate your further explanations!!! Thanks!Smile

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