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Winchester .30-30 M64 Deluxe Carbine front sight hood
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Did the Model 64 .30-30 Deluxe Carbine with a shorter than “standard” front sight ramp come with a corresponding “hood.”  The old Winchester catalog I have shows hoods for all models except this style rifle which shows the ramp with a “groove” for the hood, but no hood.  If a hood should be there, which “style” (3276, 3277, 3278, 3279)?  Does anyone have the dimensions for these various style hoods?

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Mike,

The Model 64 Deer Rifle w/20-inch barrel used the same sight hood as the Model 64 Deer Rifle w/24-inch barrel.  Which specific catalog are you looking at that does not show a sight hood for a Model 64 Deer Rifle?

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Bert:

My M64 “carbine” has a front sight ramp which is 1.75″ in length and my M64 .25-35 with a 24-inch barrel and both of my M64 .219 Zippers with 26-inch barrels have front sight ramps which are 2.75″ in length.  I bot the .30-30 “carbine” without the “hood” in the hopes of finding one later (the gun is in 99% condition).  

I saw the image of the M64 without the hood on page 71 of the “Winchester Gun Salesman’s Hand Book”  which is a booklet of 80-pages, light-blue covers, 8.5 X 11 with no date that I could find but with “FORM NO. 2002 – PRINTED IN U.S.A.” on page 80; it must have been printed during or after 1944, because on the inside back cover is the note “Division of Olin Industries, Inc.”  

Upon a “second” look in this booklet, the M64 image was one with a 24-inch barrel and not a carbine.Embarassed

I have installed a “standard” hood which is “lower” in height but of the same length than those on my other Model 64’s as well as my two Model 65’s in .218 Bee and my five Model 71 rifles & carbines; it appears to otherwise be of the same construction as the other Winchester hoods I have.  Installed on the M64 Carbine, the hood takes up ALL the “groove” room available on the shorter ramp; the other guns have a noticeable amount of “groove” room from the front and back of the hood.  

Upon examining the hoods from a Winchester 1948 catalog, I noted four different “styles” which I listed above; there was a fifth style (3280), but it was much lower than any other the other four.  It sure would be nice to know the dimensions of these different style hoods as well as their “applications.”

Thanks for your input.

P.S. I also need a set of sling-swivels for a Winchester Model 52 Sporter (the same as the Model 71 and 64 Deluxe versions).

P.P.S. I am also interested in the “flat style” slot blanks used on Winchester barrel rear sight slots when using a “tang sight” (0.375-inch).  I have yet to understand why Brownell or someone else has not reproduced these instead of those with “round tops” like they now have.

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MGS,

I compared my 64 front sights and found the ramp bases the same as yours.  The carbine hood does ‘fill up’ the carbine’s base due to ramp’s shorter length.  The hood on my carbine is shorter than the standard length rifles, but the front sight is also shorter.  This keeps the sight bead centered in the “hood’s center”.  I believe this height difference is due to a larger diameter muzzle on a carbine ( the barrel shortening moves the front sight to the rear where the barrel has a larger diameter).  Just my observation.

I found some of the ‘Super Grade’ swivels on ebay.  They are asking $175.00.  I have a few sets and would take $150.00 per set.

PM me if interested.

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“The hood on my carbine is shorter than the standard length rifles, but the front sight is also shorter. This keeps the sight bead centered in the ‘hood’s center’.”

Roger:

I assume by “shorter” you mean the hood is not as “high” on the ramp as a standard hood would be. That is also the configuration of the hood I have on my M64 Carbine. So I guess it is the right hood.

Somewhere I got the idea that the hood on the M64 Carbine was also not as “long” as the standard M71/M64 hoods; I think I read that in Stroebel’s “Old Gunsights and Rifle Scopes” (Gun Digest Pubs), but not sure. As I said in my earlier post, sure would be nice to have the dimensions and applications of the various style Winchester hoods; oh well, can’t have everything.  I will be “alert” at the April Wanenmacher Tulsa Arms show this year.

I will send you a PM about the sling swivels.

Many thanks for your comments.

MGS

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MGS,  I believe the sight hoods are all the same length, but the do have different heights.  Roger B.

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Roger:

Sounds reasonable; I have many Winchester rifles/carbines with sight hoods; they all seem to be the same “length” but some are not as “high” having the top of the hood closer to the sight.  This appears to be the only difference in the hoods shown in the 1948 Winchester catalog, but it is not that easy to tell.

I do have a “shorter” hood, but it appears to be a “standard” hood which someone has ground shorter (very professional job but still appears “non-factory” due to appearance of fine “grind” marks).  I also noticed that the hoods which were higher would not fit the groove on my Carbine (i.e. the “thickness” of the metal used was about 0.003-inch thicker).

Thanks again for the input; the “mystery” is closer to being solved.Cool

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Another difference I have notice regarding sight hoods is the width of the slot in the bottom of the hood and the slot cut in the front sight.  It seems to me that 94 carbines have a wider slot than most of the rifles.  Anyone else notice this?   Roger B

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mgs357 said
Did the Model 64 .30-30 Deluxe Carbine with a shorter than “standard” front sight ramp come with a corresponding “hood.”  The old Winchester catalog I have shows hoods for all models except this style rifle which shows the ramp with a “groove” for the hood, but no hood.  If a hood should be there, which “style” (3276, 3277, 3278, 3279)?  Does anyone have the dimensions for these various style hoods?

Mike Speers

  

Style 3277 for the m64 rifle & 3276 for the m64 carbine. 

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