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I have a Model 60A (’32 barrel date, 23″ barrel, short finger grooved stock} and a Model 04 ( No barrel date, SHORT, LONG OR EXTRA LONG) that have barrel mounted peep sights.  I have not been able to find any information on these sights anywhere.  Anyone have any knowledge concerning these sights?  Thanks, RDB

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One attached with a screw is a 30 D,  the other a variant not in my pre-war cat.  No doubt JWA will tell you.

Like the M1905 sight on the ’03 Springfield, the peep is too far from the eye for easiest & most effective use.

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Thanks Clarence. That helps. I thought the 30D like the 30C had a folding leaf that provided  the aperture. This sight is aperture only.  Hopefully I can get out to the range and try them out pretty soon. I see your point about the long eye relief.  RDB

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Thanks Clarence. That helps. I thought the 30D like the 30C had a folding leaf that provided  the aperture. This sight is aperture only.  Hopefully I can get out to the range and try them out pretty soon. I see your point about the long eye relief.  RDB  

Win did offer a peep for 69s that mounted on the rcvr., where it should be–the # 96 B; though it was developed some time after the 30 D, which, possibly it superceded.

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Hi Roger,

I am flying this week and not at home with my files but just by your photos I can tell you the 1904 sight is a 30 series rear sight and the catalog number for your 1904 was either a G0404R (with peep sight) or a G0403R.  My guess is that it is a late (1920’s) model G0404R catalog number.  The 60A has a 32 series sight which is also unusual.  When I get home this weekend I can look up the actual sight numbers for you. 

Unfortunately, despite Clarence’s faith in me, I do not have them all memorized.

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Thanks, I understand your not having them memorized.  At this point in life my memory is fine, but the recall is lacking.  Confused Wishing you a safe trip home.  RDB

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Hi Roger,

Finally made it home last night and looked up your sights.  Clarence is correct about it being a 30D on the 1904, it is illustrated in the 1926-1935 Winchester catalogs (with the fixed aperture, not the flip style).  In the 1926 catalog it is referred to as the W.J.R.C. 30D peep sight.

For the Model 60, it is a 32 series sight but I do not have a drawing for it or the 32 letter suffix, sorry.  I have seen them before though.

The bolt handle on your 1904 looks like it has been replaced, I would double-check the headspace before firing since the bolt headspaces on the shoulder of the bolt handle.

If you get a chance to post some additional photos of the Model 60 sight from different angles I would appreciate it.  I will keep digging to see if I can find more info for you.

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Thanks Jeff. I will see what I can do with some pictures.  I have shot the 04 in the past and don’t recall any problems.  I am not knowledgeable concerning head space problems. What should I look for?  Split cases?  The little gun seems to lock up tight. I may have only fired CB Longs when I shot it before.  RDB

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Thanks Jeff. I will see what I can do with some pictures.  I have shot the 04 in the past and don’t recall any problems.  I am not knowledgeable concerning head space problems. What should I look for?  Split cases?  The little gun seems to lock up tight. I may have only fired CB Longs when I shot it before.  RDB  

Split cases wouldn’t be a problem unless you reload…!  Burst rims might get your attention.  But unless you’re firing HV, fugget about it.

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Hi Roger,

I didn’t mean to worry you, as it is very likely ok, I just mentioned it because that is an important dimension and fit at the bolt handle juncture and I have seen other modified guns with head space issues due to crude bolt handle repair attempts.

An enlarged chamber will cause split cases, excessive headspace in a rim fire will allow the rim to split or burst as Clarence mentioned.

Inspect the shell after firing to see if you can spot any bulging or elongation of the rim as compared to an unfired shell.  There should be very little distortion of the rim in a properly headspaced .22 rim fire.

 

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Thanks Clarence.  For ammo I plan to use some of the  Winchester T-22 that was discussed recently.  Now, if I can just get out to the range.  Here are some different angles of the 60A sight.  Regarding the Model 1904 bolt, the changed bolt wouldn’t surprise me as the stock has been checked by Bubba and it sports a Swiss butt plate.  The original finish on both guns was what caught my eye at the time I purchased.  I had planned on finding nicer stock for the 1904, but that proved to be impossible without taking an already nice gun apart.  Lose, lose situation!  Here are some additional pictures of the sight on the 60A and the ‘Custom’ 1904 stock.  I believe the rifle is a “Transition” model.  Has the 23″ barrel dated 32, chrome bolt, short grooved stock, and has the “S” only safety mark on the cocking piece.  Hope this helps Jeff.  RDB

 

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Finally made it to the range.  I was very surprised to learn that I can no longer see targets at 25 yards.  Just a blur no definition.  I guess I need to get new specs.  Any way, I shot the Model 1904 and the 60 A using “Precision” 22 L.R. Standard Velocity and a few Remington Hi-Velocity to check to see head space problems.  None found.  These little guns need a good shooter.  60-1906-Target-001.JPGImage Enlarger

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