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Hello,

I’m new here and am really clueless about guns and their accessories. I inherited a few items from my father and I’m trying to figure out what they are and what they might be worth. Thank you in advance to anyone who can help me out.

I have two sights, which I’ll post pictures of here:

 

Box 1 is labeled Lyman Sights 1A “DA” Combination Rear for Winchester Lever Action Model 94: .25/35, .30/30 and .32 Special Models 53 and 55.

What I’m trying to determine is if the pictures I posted match what is in the box. Inside this box was an envelope that says “Weaver Detachable Top Mount with attaching screws”. Inside that envelope was two screws. These two screws appear to fit the sight perfectly. Not sure if this “Weaver Mount” is actually in the box too, or if my dad maybe just put that envelope in there to hold the screws since the screws are tiny.

Is the sight that’s on the box actually what I have pictured here? On the back of it is an imprint of “R14”.

Then there is this additional piece with the triangle pointing top. Is that something separate or does that go with the sight?

Same question for the large screw. Is that supposed to come with this?

 

Box 2 is labeled Lyman Sights 1A Combination Rear for Winchester Model 1904 Caliber 22 56 & 57.

This box contains several pieces that you can see in the picture. On the rear of one of them I see an imprint of what looks like “X S”. On the sight itself, I can’t seem to find an imprint.

I don’t know if what the box is labeled actually is this sight or something different.

One of the very tiny small pieces that you can see in the picture almost looks like it is broken off. I’m not sure if this is part of the sight or belongs to something else.

 

Can anyone help identify these things and answer some of my questions above. Also, if you have any idea what they might be worth, I’d be very interested in hearing what you have to say.

 

In addition, I also inherited a Winchester rifle from my dad. I’ve tried to do a little research on this on my own but am coming up empty. Imprinted on this rifle is “Winchester Model 94” “Nickel Steel 32 W.S.” Unless I copied down the serial number incorrectly, it reads 10332153. This serial number seems to be too high for the databases I’m looking in. I’m told that it belonged to my great grandfather who lived from 1900 to 1958 so I believe its manufacture date should be somewhere in that period. Any information on this rifle and what it might be worth is also greatly appreciated. Thank you!!

 

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!!

 

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Interesting.  I just fell asleep watching a movie with my wife.  She said I was too tired to finish watching and should just go to bed.  I mentioned I had to check the WACA forum before bed.  So, I’m not feeling real crisp.  That said, it looks like neither of your two sights match the box.  There is a folding ladder sight for a Winchester lever action and the R-14 sight looks like it would fit a Remington I have:

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steve004 said There is a folding ladder sight for a Winchester lever action and the R-14 sight looks like it would fit a Remington I have:
 

  

I love all the Rem slide-actions, but this is one of the nicest I’ve ever seen.  The ladder sight is for a carbine & worth a fair bit.  Search Win carbine sight on ebay for value.

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clarence said

steve004 said There is a folding ladder sight for a Winchester lever action and the R-14 sight looks like it would fit a Remington I have:

 

  

I love all the Rem slide-actions, but this is one of the nicest I’ve ever seen.  The ladder sight is for a carbine & worth a fair bit.  Search Win carbine sight on ebay for value.

  

The R-14 sight is an optional rear receiver/tang sight for the all calibers in the Remington M14 and M141.

 

Clarence – thanks for the compliment.  Mine is in a .35 Remington which is the most desirable chambering.  Also – mine doesn’t have a recoil pad!  I mention that because I’ve seen a couple over the years that were in similar condition, and they had recoil pads!

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steve004 said

Clarence – thanks for the compliment.  Mine is in a .35 Remington which is the most desirable chambering.  Also – mine doesn’t have a recoil pad!  I mention that because I’ve seen a couple over the years that were in similar condition, and they had recoil pads!

What a horror that would be–a pad on a Premier Grade gun!  Maybe that’s what saved it, being “too good to shoot.”

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steve004 said

clarence said

steve004 said There is a folding ladder sight for a Winchester lever action and the R-14 sight looks like it would fit a Remington I have:

 

  

I love all the Rem slide-actions, but this is one of the nicest I’ve ever seen.  The ladder sight is for a carbine & worth a fair bit.  Search Win carbine sight on ebay for value.

  

The R-14 sight is an optional rear receiver/tang sight for the all calibers in the Remington M14 and M141.

 

 

Thank you very much for the lead on the Remington R-14 sight. That pointed me in the right direction for that one. Still trying to find a match for the ladder sight. And I have no idea what the sight is in the Box #2 that I posted pictures of (The one that’s branded with “X S”).

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JamesInNY said

And I have no idea what the sight is in the Box #2 that I posted pictures of (The one that’s branded with “X S”).

James, the box correctly identifies what “XS” fits.  It’s actually a rare sight, but I’m not sure there’s significant collector interest in it, because it’s meant to be mounted on the wrist of the stock.  Now all you have to do is put it back together!  (What idiot took it apart?)  Here’s our resident authority on these bolt-action rifles, who might be interested in this sight:  https://www.rimfirepublications.com/

Your ladder sight fits Model 92 & 94 carbines.

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JamesInNY said

And I have no idea what the sight is in the Box #2 that I posted pictures of (The one that’s branded with “X S”).

James, the box correctly identifies what “XS” fits.  It’s actually a rare sight, but I’m not sure there’s significant collector interest in it, because it’s meant to be mounted on the wrist of the stock.  Now all you have to do is put it back together!  (What idiot took it apart?)  Here’s our resident authority on these bolt-action rifles, who might be interested in this sight:  https://www.rimfirepublications.com/

Your ladder sight fits Model 92 & 94 carbines.

  

Clarence,

Thank you very much for the additional information. I believe the sight broke because one of the pieces of it looks to be metal that sheared off. Not sure how this happened or why my dad might have hung on to it if it were broke, but perhaps I could sell it for parts.

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JamesInNY said Not sure how this happened or why my dad might have hung on to it if it were broke, but perhaps I could sell it for parts.

Not likely. Best to find some collector of 1904s, such as the person (JWA) to whom I referred you.

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Hi James,

As Clarence mentioned, the market for that specific sight is fairly nil as it required the user to drill 2 holes in the wrist of the stock.  Some of the components “may” be used on other Lyman 1A sights so it probably does have some part value, especially if you throw it to the sharks on eBay, you might be surprised what happens…..and then you will be further surprised after eBay deducts the listing “fees”, taxes and other costs…..

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Hi James,

As Clarence mentioned, the market for that specific sight is fairly nil as it required the user to drill 2 holes in the wrist of the stock.  Some of the components “may” be used on other Lyman 1A sights so it probably does have some part value, especially if you throw it to the sharks on eBay, you might be surprised what happens…..and then you will be further surprised after eBay deducts the listing “fees”, taxes and other costs…..

Best Regards,

  

Thank you very much for your feedback and advice. This world is completely foreign to me. Also trying to determine how to legally sell my father’s 1894 Winchester .32 WS from 1928.

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JamesInNY said

 

 Also trying to determine how to legally sell my father’s 1894 Winchester .32 WS from 1928.

Because you are in New York, I will suggest that you visit your local gun shop and see if they will sell it for you on consignment.

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JWA said
As Clarence mentioned, the market for that specific sight is fairly nil as it required the user to drill 2 holes in the wrist of the stock.  Some of the components “may” be used on other Lyman 1A sights so it probably does have some part value, especially if you throw it to the sharks on eBay, you might be surprised what happens…..and then you will be further surprised after eBay deducts the listing “fees”, taxes and other costs….. 

I’d say most valuable part is the box itself.  Can’t believe more than a handful were ever sold–owners of those low-cost bolt-actions just weren’t the kind of shooters who’d be likely to buy a tang sight, I sure don’t think.  Even the similar one listed for Model 52s is rare.  I strongly suspect these sights were merely the same sights originally intended for some other rifle (not necessarily WRA) repackaged. I see many Lyman tang sight parts listed on ebay, & hot sellers they aren’t.

For a good long while, I’ve wanted a 1904, but one never came along, & at this point I’ve run out of time.  But if I had one, I’d like to have this sight on it.

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clarence said  

I’d say most valuable part is the box itself.  Can’t believe more than a handful were ever sold–owners of those low-cost bolt-actions just weren’t the kind of shooters who’d be likely to buy a tang sight, I sure don’t think.  Even the similar one listed for Model 52s is rare.  I strongly suspect these sights were merely the same sights originally intended for some other rifle (not necessarily WRA) repackaged. I see many Lyman tang sight parts listed on ebay, & hot sellers they aren’t.

For a good long while, I’ve wanted a 1904, but one never came along, & at this point I’ve run out of time.  But if I had one, I’d like to have this sight on it.

  

I agree, the box is worth at least the price of the parts.  I have held some 1904’s with the 1A sight and it is ANNOYING as it interferes with the proper hand placement on the grip, and it is too close to the eye which doesn’t work for me anymore.  All in all, not the best idea from Lyman, especially since the 1904 could be ordered with a FACTORY barrel mounted peep sight from Winchester.

I have never seen one on a 56 or 57 since they were both offered with the Lyman 42W peep sight (57 as standard and 56 as an option, although it was already D&T’d for it).  The standard Lyman 42W was a great sight, available with a dual aperture, quick adjust lever, stop screw for the zero setting, etc., fairly modern features on a 1926 era sight.

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For those interested, the R14 sight is listed on ebay:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/256162003445?hash=item3ba471f9f5:g:bjsAAOSwk7NkxYyN

The parts are listed here:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/256163298831?hash=item3ba485be0f:g:qDoAAOSw-lRkxtTz

I am bidding on the parts, but it’s a free world if someone needs them more.  The R14 price may be a tad bit optimistic…  

If this type of post isn’t allowed, slap my hand, send me to the corner for a time out and I will remove….

update… it was pointed out to me that a Lyman R-14 sold in May for $504…. it was actually in lessor condition from my perspective.  I better adjust my own prices since I’ve been “giving” them away.  Laugh  Good luck with your sale…

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update… it was pointed out to me that a Lyman R-14 sold in May for $504…. it was actually in lessor condition from my perspective.  I better adjust my own prices since I’ve been “giving” them away.  Laugh  Good luck with your sale…

  

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