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Lyman 1 DA ?
September 14, 2019
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I thought I had these codes figured out but this sight below says 1 DA which I thought represented a locking lever. The box has a letter inked out so not sure if it’s a rebuild with a different base or legitimate. 5F7A0B81-864C-44D9-959D-B71AEE8BD77A.jpegImage Enlarger

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September 14, 2019
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You're mixing up the model designation with the application code.  An "A" suffix added to the basic model number, #1 or #2, meant it was equipped with the (useless) locking lever.

So this sight is merely a correct #1 coded DA.  If you're going to mount it on a rifle, you're paying extra for a box you don't need, & may wind up somewhere down the road getting separated from that sight anyway.  Unless, like me, you NEVER loose or misplace anything!  (I wish!)

September 14, 2019
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clarence said
You're mixing up the model designation with the application code.  An "A" suffix added to the basic model number, #1 or #2, meant it was equipped with the (useless) locking lever.

So this sight is merely a #1 coded DA.  If you're going to mount it on a rifle, you're paying extra for a box you don't need.  

Yes that’s right Clarence, thanks for reminding. me.

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September 15, 2019
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I disagree about the box not being important.  Keep it safe and add a note which gun it should be kept with and someone 100 years from now will thank you or maybe next week.

September 15, 2019
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Chuck said
I disagree about the box not being important.  Keep it safe and add a note which gun it should be kept with and someone 100 years from now will thank you or maybe next week.  

Lol more likely next week Chuck, unless I live to a 155 😳

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September 15, 2019
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People just don't realize how hard it is to find paper items like boxes still in good shape.  It is way easier to find the sight than the box and original paperwork.

September 15, 2019
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Chuck said
People just don't realize how hard it is to find paper items like boxes still in good shape.  It is way easier to find the sight than the box and original paperwork.  

Actually very true Chuck.

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Chuck said
I disagree about the box not being important.  Keep it safe and add a note which gun it should be kept with and someone 100 years from now will thank you or maybe next week.  

What I'm sure AG meant was that it's not important to someone intending to mount it on a gun, rather than keep it unused in the box as sight collectors do.  (I remember being rather amazed when a dealer told me long ago that there are those who buy sights, esp. in boxes, merely to keep like a stamp or coin collection...whereas I've never bought any sight I didn't have a place for on some gun I already owned.)

The problem with "keeping it safe," aside from the nuisance value of doing so, is that "shat happens," unforeseen & unpredictable.  It's what has happened to the empty sight boxes that often show up on ebay, as well as many gun parts, like the receiver sight slides that have to be removed when a scope is mounted; for sure, their owners never intended to separate them permanently from the sight base, but "shat happens."

The person who will thank him 100 years from now (if he passes on it) will be a sight collector...if any are left by that time.

September 15, 2019
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Chuck said
People just don't realize how hard it is to find paper items like boxes still in good shape.  It is way easier to find the sight than the box and original paperwork.  

But it's way easier (and cheaper) to find a sight without the box if you're not planning to keep it as is, unused in the box.

September 16, 2019
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clarence said
You're mixing up the model designation with the application code.  An "A" suffix added to the basic model number, #1 or #2, meant it was equipped with the (useless) locking lever.

So this sight is merely a correct #1 coded DA.  If you're going to mount it on a rifle, you're paying extra for a box you don't need, & may wind up somewhere down the road getting separated from that sight anyway.  Unless, like me, you NEVER loose or misplace anything!  (I wish!)  

I'm confused.  I don't see a locking lever on the sight that AG posted.

September 16, 2019
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tionesta1 said

I'm confused.  I don't see a locking lever on the sight that AG posted.  

Because it's NOT a 1A.

September 16, 2019
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clarence said

But it's way easier (and cheaper) to find a sight without the box if you're not planning to keep it as is, unused in the box.  

Clarence, I am not a sight collector and would rather not pay extra for a box but if I had a box I would take care of it.  Fill it with something and pack it away with one of the boxes of stuff we all have.

I do buy nice sights when I can find them. You never know which Winchester you buy might need one.

September 16, 2019
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Chuck said

Clarence, I am not a sight collector and would rather not pay extra for a box.

Maybe you won't pay extra at a pawn shop, garage sale, etc., but on ebay...not likely!

September 16, 2019
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Chuck said 
Keep it safe and add a note which gun it should be kept with and someone 100 years from now will thank you or maybe next week.  

Here's an example of what I'm talking about when I say, despite the best intentions, "shat happens":

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233342405235?_trksid=p11021.c100851.m5053&_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20170803121420%26meid%3D46143e0d1c8142d893037b1dd7394901%26pid%3D100851%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26b%3D1%26sd%3D383154987709%26itm%3D233342405235%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D11021&ul_noapp=true

Somebody, obviously, removed the sight from the box & mounted it on a rifle, but deliberately "saved" the box.  That somebody didn't simply throw the box away (the fate of the vast majority of ALL packaging), or it wouldn't still be around; no, he thoughtfully "saved" the box, and yet, where is the sight it once contained? 

September 17, 2019
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Here is a pic of some of the tang sights i'v accumulated so far.....tangsights.jpgImage Enlarger

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Manuel said
Here is a pic of some of the tang sights i'v accumulated so far.....tangsights.jpgImage Enlarger  

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September 24, 2019
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Have a discrepancy in the stem or base in this one. Base is marked correctly (1 DA) but obviously wider at the pivot point. It doesn’t fold down as flat either. The elevation knob is also a little shorter & thicker than my other Lyman No 1 first variation sights. Adding pics so you know what I mean. Were the no 1’s changed at a certain date. Any ideals? Anyone.

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September 24, 2019
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If they're both DAs, then one of the stems & sleeves has been replaced--the shorter one.  I presume the stem is shorter because its length should be proportional to the length of the adjustment sleeve.  Wouldn't bother me that much, but the DA being the most common variation of these sights, finding a "correct" one, & reselling the odd-ball one, should be easy as falling off a log.

By the way, whoever called this #1 the "first variation (Stroebel, I surmise) didn't know what he was talking about.

September 24, 2019
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In the first picture the 2 bases are not the same. 

September 26, 2019
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I checked the underside of both sights. The mint one is stamped 1 DA and the other one is stamped DA. The mint one has the Lyman name & location stamped on the top of the base as well.
I looked at the sights in Brads 1894 sight thread & both No 1 & 1A(with locking lever) have no Lyman name & location stamped on the top of the base. I can only assume the mint one here (1 DA) is a later production after it had stopped in 1955 ?

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