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How about tang sight vs. receiver sight vs. heel sight?
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Or receiver plus heel sight?

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You can never have enough sights Steve!

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I’d like to have someone show me how to use a heel sight someday. Looks ridiculous but I’m pretty sure it works. That could be a 40″ sight radius. 

 

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I’d like to have someone show me how to use a heel sight someday. Looks ridiculous but I’m pretty sure it works. That could be a 40″ sight radius. 
 
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Look at the old lithographs or drawings of the American team’s various shooting positions when they competed against the Irish riflemen at Creedmore Range in 1874.  The heel sight is used lying down. 

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Zebulon said

TXGunNut said
I’d like to have someone show me how to use a heel sight someday. Looks ridiculous but I’m pretty sure it works. That could be a 40″ sight radius. 
 
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Look at the old lithographs or drawings of the American team’s various shooting positions when they competed against the Irish riflemen at Creedmore Range in 1874.  The heel sight is used lying down. 
  

Not the standard prone position either.  In this style shooting you are lying on your back, feet forward and the barrel might be rested between your toes.  The butt of the rifle is often rested in the crook of the arm.  

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Look at the old lithographs or drawings of the American team’s various shooting positions when they competed against the Irish riflemen at Creedmore Range in 1874.  The heel sight is used lying down. -Zeb

 

I’ve seen the pics, I’m pretty sure I’m too tall to do that without endangering a toe or worse but I’m pretty sure my neck would put a stop to the experiment before anything messy happened. It would be fun to watch someone who knew what they were doing. 

 

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TXGunNut said
Look at the old lithographs or drawings of the American team’s various shooting positions when they competed against the Irish riflemen at Creedmore Range in 1874.  The heel sight is used lying down. -Zeb
 
I’ve seen the pics, I’m pretty sure I’m too tall to do that without endangering a toe or worse but I’m pretty sure my neck would put a stop to the experiment before anything messy happened. It would be fun to watch someone who knew what they were doing. 
 
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Concur. I think we’d have to put left foot over right knee and rest the rifle over left calf. My neck wouldn’t stand the strain either. And then there’s the fire ants….

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Don’t forget the importance of having a baby’s teething ring to hold in your mouth:

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And a head strap was helpful as well:

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In the match covered by this Guns magazine article, this match took place in the late 1950’s.  Five Scotts and five English marksman were shooting at 2,100 and 2000 yards.  Iron sights at that distance!  I can’t imagine it.

Nice to see women involved too:

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I would assume it to be a young person shooting position now days.  IF I could even get into position, I would require a couple of men to help me get back UP!  Tim

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steve004 said
In the match covered by this Guns magazine article, this match took place in the late 1950’s.  Five Scotts and five English marksman were shooting at 2,100 and 2000 yards.  Iron sights at that distance!  I can’t imagine it.
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Good amazing stuff Steve!Smile

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I would assume it to be a young person shooting position now days.  IF I could even get into position, I would require a couple of men to help me get back UP!  Tim
  

Tim,

I feel ya buddy! Smile

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I would assume it to be a young person shooting position now days.  IF I could even get into position, I would require a couple of men to help me get back UP!  Tim
  

I feel pretty confident it would require some sort of rigid fixture to get me into that position. Problem is, with anything more than mild recoil something’s gonna break. Maybe me, maybe the fixture. Shooting isn’t much of a spectator sport but in this case that would be the only viable option for me!

 

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TXGunNut said

tim tomlinson said
I would assume it to be a young person shooting position now days.  IF I could even get into position, I would require a couple of men to help me get back UP!  Tim
  

I feel pretty confident it would require some sort of rigid fixture to get me into that position. Problem is, with anything more than mild recoil something’s gonna break. Maybe me, maybe the fixture. Shooting isn’t much of a spectator sport but in this case that would be the only viable option for me!
 
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They were shooting .303 British rifles.  The .303 was a very popular match rifle shot in the big matches overseas.  Predominant were Enfields and of course the Ross MkII**. However, starting about 1908 when the Ross single-shot heel-sighted match rifle came on the scene – the chambering was the .280 Ross – which was basically the equivalent to the 7mm Remington Magnum.  

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Here’s some Ross MkII** .303 target rifles:

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Steve,

Those are some pretty elaborate Ross rifles.

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

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Anthony said
Steve,
Those are some pretty elaborate Ross rifles.
 
Thanks for sharing!
 
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Thanks Tony –

They are in very high condition.  This was common among match rifles.  Match rifle shooters were generally quite meticulous by nature and this included the care of their rifles.

The Ross rifles are straight pull.  I watched a bit of the biathlon during the Olympics a few days ago.  I was interested to note that they were shooting straight-pull rifles.  And wow – they were fast! Just a flick of the index finger from the trigger to the bolt and back to the trigger.  

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I love my 280 Ross 1910. I just wish I could see how it performs on PA whitetail.

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Steve,
Those are some pretty elaborate Ross rifles.
 
Thanks for sharing!
 
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Thanks Tony –
They are in very high condition.  This was common among match rifles.  Match rifle shooters were generally quite meticulous by nature and this included the care of their rifles.
The Ross rifles are straight pull.  I watched a bit of the biathlon during the Olympics a few days ago.  I was interested to note that they were shooting straight-pull rifles.  And wow – they were fast! Just a flick of the index finger from the trigger to the bolt and back to the trigger.  
  

Steve,

Yes those are some very nice high condition Rifles. I can surly appreciate they’re “meticulous by nature”, make up if you will, as some of us collectors have those same qualities. Smile

I’m pretty sure those in the Olympics are Anschultz, made firearms, with the straight pull bolts, as I haven’t  watched this years events, with a busy schedule, but I can also appreciate they’re skills and dedication to the sport.

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I love my 280 Ross 1910. I just wish I could see how it performs on PA whitetail.
  

Kevin,

I think it would be great if you could take a PA, White Tail with it. Pretty sure the the minimum caliber is .243, over there, but I’m assuming the Ross, being classified under the Semi Auto, wouldn’t be allowed, by the Legal aspects of hunting rifles. That’s a shame! IMO!

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Anthony said

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Anthony said
Steve,
Those are some pretty elaborate Ross rifles.
 
Thanks for sharing!
 
Tony
  

Thanks Tony –
They are in very high condition.  This was common among match rifles.  Match rifle shooters were generally quite meticulous by nature and this included the care of their rifles.
The Ross rifles are straight pull.  I watched a bit of the biathlon during the Olympics a few days ago.  I was interested to note that they were shooting straight-pull rifles.  And wow – they were fast! Just a flick of the index finger from the trigger to the bolt and back to the trigger.  
  

Steve,
Yes those are some very nice high condition Rifles. I can surly appreciate they’re “meticulous by nature”, make up if you will, as some of us collectors have those same qualities.
I’m pretty sure those in the Olympics are Anschultz, made firearms, with the straight pull bolts, as I haven’t  watched this years events, with a busy schedule, but I can also appreciate they’re skills and dedication to the sport.

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I love my 280 Ross 1910. I just wish I could see how it performs on PA whitetail.
  

Kevin,
I think it would be great if you could take a PA, White Tail with it. Pretty sure the the minimum caliber is .243, over there, but I’m assuming the Ross, being classified under the Semi Auto, wouldn’t be allowed, by the Legal aspects of hunting rifles. That’s a shame! IMO!
Anthony
  

Tony – 

The Ross rifle is certainly fast to operate – but fast enough to be considered a semi-auto in PA?  As much as I favor the Ross among bolt action rifles, I consider a slide action rifle faster to cycle than the Ross.

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Steve,

Another good point, and many choose the slide action, pump or whatever, over the others, as I have been hunting PA, for over 50 years and most of the guy’s we hunt with like their more modern and highly accurate Bolt action rifles, as many also like they’re levers. Many different styles of rifles used that’s foe sure.

In Pa, the speed thing, isn’t the most important thing taught as you’re well aware of, and I understand you’re point bout the one vs. the other and I’m not trying to confuse the two. 

We like to start the youngsters out on a .243 caliber rifle, with a couple rounds only in them, as they are always with an Adult, well into they’re time hunting, and proven they’re ready to hunt on their own legally, and responsibly, as I know for a fact you’re the same way.

I personally wouldn’t want an older style straight bolt rifle that might get snagged on my clothing and other branches and stuff, while I’m hunting. Now to take an older traditional rifle such as that, which would be allowed by law, would be pretty neat, as you and I wouldn’t be trying to break any land speed records either, as we believe in enjoying the moment! Smile

Tony

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I’d like to have someone show me how to use a heel sight someday. Looks ridiculous but I’m pretty sure it works. That could be a 40″ sight radius. 
 
Mike
  

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The shooter in the mid-ground is shooting from the back position at the International Creedmoor match.

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I’ve been told that it can be quite comfortable and a steady rest and accurate as well. The gentlemen in the last photo doesn’t look like a spring chicken!

Sincerely,

Maverick

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