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November 17, 2018 - 5:49 pm
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Would a Calif. Buckhorn sight, pre M26, be proper on a 1907 vintage M1894 30 WCF rifle? It does not have serrated ears and I am not quite sure any of them did.   Thanks, Big Larry

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Big Larry,

From what I can make out, I’m thinking it would be ‘period correct’ taking into consideration that the serrated edges were not applied after the first part of 1908.

Maybe Brad or someone else will clear this up for the record.

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The sights have been changed on this rifle before. It now has the standard Sporting type with serrated edges, which I presume to be correct, but as the sights have been changed before, I have a real nice Calif. Buckhorn sight I would like to put on this rifle. The rifle is 95%+ and would really look cool with the Buckhorn. Just want to know if it would be period correct. Thanks, Big Larry

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Like I said, the serrated edges was phased out beginning 1908, so if your rifle is 1907 vintage, it would be ‘period’ correct by definition of the word as far as I am concerned.

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Like I said, the serrated edges was phased out beginning 1908, so if your rifle is 1907 vintage, it would be ‘period’ correct by definition of the word as far as I am concerned.

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Thanks James. I also have a black powder Calif. Buckhorn and it has no serrations and it must be an earlier sight. Probably never made them with serrations. I think I will go ahead with this project as the sight matches my rifle pretty close. Normally, I would not change out the sight, but as stated, it was changed out by the previous owner. It had a 3 leaf Express sight on it. may have been correct, but was certainly not factory. It is a very beautiful rifle, lots of blue and case color.  Again, thanks James. Big Larry

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Big Larry said

Thanks James. I also have a black powder Calif. Buckhorn and it has no serrations and it must be an earlier sight. Probably never made them with serrations. I think I will go ahead with this project as the sight matches my rifle pretty close. Normally, I would not change out the sight, but as stated, it was changed out by the previous owner. It had a 3 leaf Express sight on it. may have been correct, but was certainly not factory. It is a very beautiful rifle, lots of blue and case color.  Again, thanks James. Big Larry  

You’re welcome, Brother.  Not so sure that I have helped any at all, and am still hoping that someone will get involved with this issue for you.  The primary source that I am using is The Sight Book.  Pre-26 designation for the California Buckhorn for Black Powder and Smokeless is listed as ‘Old Number 38’ and ‘Old Number 40’, respectively.  As for the checking/serrations, both note that it stopped ‘2/18.08’, but the reference might be for the 26 series only.  So you might be right about serrations on them.  I simply don’t know.

Have a great rest of the day!

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You’re welcome, Brother.  Not so sure that I have helped any at all, and am still hoping that someone will get involved with this issue for you.  The primary source that I am using is The Sight Book.  Pre-26 designation for the California Buckhorn for Black Powder and Smokeless is listed as ‘Old Number 38’ and ‘Old Number 40’, respectively.  As for the checking/serrations, both note that it stopped ‘2/18.08’, but the reference might be for the 26 series only.  So you might be right about serrations on them.  I simply don’t know.

Have a great rest of the day!

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Thanks my friend. I think all the Winchester guys are in Reno and are heading back. Maybe someone can shed a little light on this subject, although tomorrow, I will probably change the sights out. These sights have been in my parts box for quite a while. I do have a few extra sights of all types. Big Larry

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Larry, I am not a sight expert but I believe the Ca. buckhorns (full buckhorn) were never serrated.  There is a 26 A for black powder (no adjustable leaf) and a 26 B for smokeless (adjustable leaf).  These have a thumb style elevator 1 B or 1C.  These have 1901 patent dates.  The 1A is for the 38-55 and 32-40’s.  Only difference for the elevators is the height.

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Larry, I am not a sight expert but I believe the Ca. buckhorns (full buckhorn) were never serrated.  There is a 26 A for black powder (no adjustable leaf) and a 26 B for smokeless (adjustable leaf).  These have a thumb style elevator 1 B or 1C.  These have 1901 patent dates.  The 1A is for the 38-55 and 32-40’s.  Only difference for the elevators is the height.  

Thanks Chuck. Looking over what info I have on the Buckhorns, and none show a serrated type. I am going to put the sight on a 1907 vintage M1894 with a oct. bbl. in 30 WCF. I will take some pics when I get it done. Too cold right now to get in my room to work on the rifle. Thanks for the input. Big Larry

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I put the Buckhorn sight on my rifle with a 1-B elevator. According to the book, this is correct, but it gives no date as to the origin of the Calif. Buckhorn pre M26-B.

I guess Mr. Dunbar is not going to chime in and let me know.   Big LarryFrownFrownFrown

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