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Recently obtained another 1886, this one has a ladder rear and a folding beech/lyman #5 ,looks to me its been there since it was new. the globe folds forward towards the muzzle. Is this installed correctly, mind says should be the other way around.
oldcrankyyankee said
Recently obtained another 1886, this one has a ladder rear and a folding beech/lyman #5 ,looks to me its been there since it was new. the globe folds forward towards the muzzle. Is this installed correctly, mind says should be the other way around.
It could well be, if your ’86 was built after 1891, when Beach’s 1867 pat. expired & Lyman began producing their #5 look-alike. Mind deceives you–globe folds toward muzzle.
You can tell the difference between a Beach and a Lyman by the hinge type. The Beach used a pin and the Lyman used a threaded screw, so if there is a screwdriver slot on the hinge pin you have a Lyman. A Beach also has a replaceable sight pin were the Lyman is machined in one piece.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
The Beach used a pin and the Lyman used a threaded screw, so if there is a screwdriver slot on the hinge pin you have a Lyman.Bob
That threaded screw, with a pin on the end, is the invention covered by Lyman’s 1891 pat. It was first used on what the catalog called only the “Patent Leaf Sight,” which evolved into the #6, but had only one leaf, a flat bar without the white triangle of the #6. Only one I’ve ever seen was the one I found long ago at a show & foolishly traded for a much more common sight.
I think Beach’s pin was sturdier than Lyman’s threaded screw.
i think they face front folding up from the front ,otherwise the recoil would fold it down..
Lyman’s and Beach’s both fold forward. Some of the Lyman’s with the ivory bead have a small metal post that is just in front of the ivory to protect it from getting broken and if you put it on backwards you can’t see the ivory.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Well thanks for the info. I have determined it is in fact a Lyman, has slotted heads on pin and the small metal post protecting what appears to be an ivory bead or what’s left of one. One more question, where these sights offered in different finishes? Seems that you folks talked about these being in a gold wash. This one shows no evidence of that type of finish, not saying it isn’t just worn off.
oldcrankyyankee said
Seems that you folks talked about these being in a gold wash. This one shows no evidence of that type of finish, not saying it isn’t just worn off.
Only the Beach had the gold wash, Lymans were blued. If it hasn’t worn off, there should be an 1891 pat. date stamped on the top of the Lyman globe.
Online
It’s the Beach sight that has the gold wash on the globe. The Lyman #5 didn’t have it.
Here are two photos of Beach combination sights, one folded down on a Winchester Model 1876 and one with globe folded up but not on rifle
Here are two photos of Lyman combination sights so you can see the differences.
I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder
Thanks guys, definitely a Lyman. Looks just like the first one in the pictures from Bill. And I have been able to finally make out a bit of the words on the outside of the globe, July 14.91. there is some more there just cant get the eyes to see it.
oldcrankyyankee said
there is some more there just cant get the eyes to see it.
My eyes can’t see it without a magnifying glass–the stamping was applied very lightly. Preceding the date is “Lyman’s Pat.” Toward the end of production, I think the marking may have been omitted.
Thanks Clarence for your help and wisdom. I’m going to guess that’s exactly what is there It’s just 40+ years of welding have deteriorated the old eye balls.
Just looked thru the RIA Premier catalog for august. Lot 27 is a 1886 with a beach front sight. Appears to be installed backwards, goes against the grain of what i know. Sorry dont know how to do the direct link thing. some day my grand children will teach me. Lol
oldcrankyyankee said Sorry dont know how to do the direct link thing. some day my grand children will teach me. Lol
Just touch the http address of your link with your cursor & it will “highlight.” When it does, hit the ctrl key & “C” key together & it will be copied. Then move cursor to where you want it copied, & press ctrl & “V” together. Has to be easy if I can do it!
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