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Couple questions: 1) while adjusting for windage, does the screw at the front of the rear sight need to be loosened or does it only help to stabilize the ladder when folded down?

2) also the sight slider is loose on the ladder and doesn’t hold position at all when slid up for elevation shooting.                                                         

Is there a way to snug it so it stays in place?

Thanks for any comments.

Darrin

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Darrin,

The windage adjustment is achieved by drifting the entire sight in its dovetail slot. There is no “adjustment” on the sight itself. As for the sliding elevation piece, there should be a real thin leaf spring on the inside right-hand side of the sliding piece that creates some tension on it to hold it in place. The small leaf spring is quite often missing or broken.

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Darrin,

The windage adjustment is achieved by drifting the entire sight in its dovetail slot. There is no “adjustment” on the sight itself.  

Doesn’t the screw bear against the bottom of the slot to make it tight?  That’s what Darrin was asking.  If so, it would have to be loosened to drift the sight. 

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Yes Clarence, wondering if the screw holds the sight tightly in the dovetail.

If the slide aperture is missing the spring I’d guess someone may have a suggestion for replacement. I don’t intend to shoot this rifle much at all only enough to demonstrate it’s proper function.

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Darrin Smith said
Yes Clarence, wondering if the screw holds the sight tightly in the dovetail.

Easy way to find out–back it out. 

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No.  The screw in the base of the 44a sight does not extend below the surface of the sight base so as to contact the barrel.  The screw is meant solely to prevent the ladder from being sprung to the side while in the lowered position.

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clarence said

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Darrin,

The windage adjustment is achieved by drifting the entire sight in its dovetail slot. There is no “adjustment” on the sight itself.  

Doesn’t the screw bear against the bottom of the slot to make it tight?  That’s what Darrin was asking.  If so, it would have to be loosened to drift the sight. 

  

No it does not, and if you read my response, I fully answered his question concerning “how” to adjust the sight. 

My question for you, is why do you feel the need to butt yourself into a conversation that you demonstrably know absolutely nothing about? 

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Also awaiting info on the flat spring

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Thanks for all your help guys. While exercising my new found abilities for searching the waca forums, thanks again all, I discovered a topic addressing the repair of a loose aperture slide on the 44A ladder sight dating to Jan. of 2017.

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I will share if anyone else is wondering…Wink

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What search words did you use?

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Ted I used, “tightening ladder sight slider” on google but here’s the waca link.

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-sights/model-94-src-ladder-sight-questions/

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Thank You Darrin

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You won’t find the tension spring on the slide of these sights made for the 1876 Winchester.  This small spring was not used until after the model 1892 came out and only after a certain serial range.  I don’t know that serial range, but those who are doing research may have an idea.  At that time, the spring was used on most, if not all 44A sights for the 1892 and 1894 carbine.

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That figures. I hadn’t fully figured out the procedure outlined in the 2017 post anyway. Guess I’ll stand by and see if someone has a remedy for fixing an early iteration of the 44A. My gun is from ’77.

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Darrin,

As far as the slide not being tight, I’ve had problems with many of these sights that do not have the tiny leaf spring in the slide.  If you want to tighten the slide, leave it on the sight staff and just squeeze it a bit in a smooth faced gunsmith vice or with pliers.  It won’t take much force and use a piece of leather or other material than won’t mark up the slide.  Again, it won’t take much pressure to tighten it up.  Work only on the ends or wings on the slide.  If you apply too much pressure, you could either break the wings, or make it too tight.  

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Thank you Rick, I had actually considered that and even discussed it with a friend. My thought was to remove it from the ladder and alter it slightly while testing for snugness. Hearing it out loud will be all the motivation I need to go forward.

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Darren,

I suggested not to remove it from the slide, because the ears are extremely thin and fragile.  If you don’t have something like the staff to tighten them up against, you might break one off.  The elevation slides for these sights are extremely hard to find, if you want an original.  

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Point taken.

Thanks again.

Darrin

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