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March 23, 2010
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What are every ones thoughts on this Model 12 28 gauge?
November 19, 2006
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I see sale is pending. Was there an asking price?
June 26, 2013
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steve004 said
I see sale is pending. Was there an asking price?
Looks like $27k
March 23, 2010
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Yep,27 thousand.Just wondering if this is the real deal?No pictures of the things one would like to see to know if it were.:)
July 8, 2012
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I’m by no means a Model 12 expert, especially when it comes to the rare 28 gauge, but for the kind of money asked for this one I’d definitely want way more pictures and some expert advice. Same goes for any model that is this high priced.
April 10, 2021
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I do not believe much of anything of that model 12 or the box to be original
June 24, 2015
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Fake gun, fake box.
September 22, 2011
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I agree, faked. With a fake box.
For that kind of money you can get (or nearly get) a very nice 28 gauge VH Parker.
October 14, 2024
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I guess that some people have more money than brains!
November 19, 2006
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Here’s another 28 gauge from the same seller. At least with this one he specifies it is, “the real deal.” He did not say that about the NIB 28 gauge 
There’s also a pretty fancy NIB M42:
March 23, 2010
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steve004 said
Here’s another 28 gauge from the same seller. At least with this one he specifies it is, “the real deal.” He did not say that about the NIB 28 gauge
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/winchester-shotguns-model-12/winchester-model-12-28-gauge-skeet-grade-solid-rib-real-deal-in-winchester-case.cfm?gun_id=103311126
There’s also a pretty fancy NIB M42:
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/winchester-shotguns-model-42/winchester-model-42-deluxe-410-gauge-nib.cfm?gun_id=103309578
Well at least on this ad, he does show the indentation on the magazine tube.Interesting that he says this is the real deal on this post,but not on the other ad.
Would be interesting to see more of the clues we look for, to tell a fake.:)
June 24, 2015
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The 28ga skeet # 1352064 with case looks ok albeit the wood is messed with. Given the crap this seller is peddling, you’d want to look over that gun very carefully. The 42 with box # 130214 is fake as a 4 dollar bill.
May 14, 2025
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Austin H said
The 28ga skeet # 1352064 with case looks ok albeit the wood is messed with. Given the crap this seller is peddling, you’d want to look over that gun very carefully. The 42 with box # 130214 is fake as a 4 dollar bill.
Austin is this the one you are talking about?
if so, can you help educate those of us who lack your knowledge to know what you are seeing that let you know this is fake? Thanks just trying to learn!
November 7, 2015
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Hopefully the prospective buyer is requesting more pics. Pics in the listing look good to me but apparently some better trained eyes have seen some issues. I wonder what a legit gun like this could go for?
Mike
August 27, 2014
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I may be totally off base, but the Special Deluxe, Select Wood stamped on the Hang Tag would be a nonstarter for me
Ditto for the DELUXE stamp on the Model 42
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January 20, 2023
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28 gauge said
What are every ones thoughts on this Model 12 28 gauge?
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/winchester-shotguns-model-12-pigeon-grade/winchester-model-12-pigeon-28-gauge-nib.cfm?gun_id=103309591&usource=lc&lctid=658059
I am late to this thread but it bothers me there is no photo of the face of the receiver, which should bear a stamp indicating the gauge, in this case the numerals “28″ — and the upper loop of the “8” should not be higher than the “2” nor should it be different in size than the lower loop. If you guess why is lots of 20 gauge receivers get converted, you win the cigar.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
April 15, 2005
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Buck1967 said
Austin H said
The 28ga skeet # 1352064 with case looks ok albeit the wood is messed with. Given the crap this seller is peddling, you’d want to look over that gun very carefully. The 42 with box # 130214 is fake as a 4 dollar bill.
Austin is this the one you are talking about?
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/winchester-shotguns-model-42/winchester-model-42-deluxe-410-gauge-nib.cfm?gun_id=103309578
if so, can you help educate those of us who lack your knowledge to know what you are seeing that let you know this is fake? Thanks just trying to learn!
Winchester never marked a gun “DELUXE” nor did they ever use that term.
Looking at that gun and the box, it looks very much like the fake crap that SDOG was peddling a few years ago.
Bert
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May 14, 2025
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Bert H. said
Buck1967 said
Austin H said
The 28ga skeet # 1352064 with case looks ok albeit the wood is messed with. Given the crap this seller is peddling, you’d want to look over that gun very carefully. The 42 with box # 130214 is fake as a 4 dollar bill.
Austin is this the one you are talking about?
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/winchester-shotguns-model-42/winchester-model-42-deluxe-410-gauge-nib.cfm?gun_id=103309578
if so, can you help educate those of us who lack your knowledge to know what you are seeing that let you know this is fake? Thanks just trying to learn!
Winchester never marked a gun “DELUXE” nor did they ever use that term.
Looking at that gun and the box, it looks very much like the fake crap that SDOG was peddling a few years ago.
Bert
Thanks Bert, looking at the box I now notice those words appear to be added by a “stamp” and are not part of the original label. Thus, am I correct in believing at a minimum someone has replaced the stock on this making it no longer a factory original?
April 15, 2005
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Buck1967 said
Bert H. said
Buck1967 said
Austin H said
The 28ga skeet # 1352064 with case looks ok albeit the wood is messed with. Given the crap this seller is peddling, you’d want to look over that gun very carefully. The 42 with box # 130214 is fake as a 4 dollar bill.
Austin is this the one you are talking about?
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/winchester-shotguns-model-42/winchester-model-42-deluxe-410-gauge-nib.cfm?gun_id=103309578
if so, can you help educate those of us who lack your knowledge to know what you are seeing that let you know this is fake? Thanks just trying to learn!
Winchester never marked a gun “DELUXE” nor did they ever use that term.
Looking at that gun and the box, it looks very much like the fake crap that SDOG was peddling a few years ago.
Bert
Thanks Bert, looking at the box I now notice those words appear to be added by a “stamp” and are not part of the original label. Thus, am I correct in believing someone has replaced the stock on this making it no longer a factory original?
The entire gun has been reworked & refinished. Nothing about it is “original”.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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