March 23, 2026
OfflineHello folks,
I just bought a model 23 “light duck” from Steve Barnett fine arms and the serial number is LD-72E and from what I gather there are no letters or information on these models? Does anyone know what the letter E denotes? I already have a model 21 in 12g and needed a subgauge Winchester to compete in our Winchester Cup competition and figured this is a fine gun for that although the Full full chokes don’t thrill me!
Thanks I just wanted some input from those with experience on these models.’
Billy Vallette

January 20, 2023
OfflineI don’t think any of the Model 23 guns were made without automatic selective ejectors. The Model 23 is essentially a version of the Manufrance “Robust” model, made by Olin-Kodensha for Winchester.
I once owned a Pigeon Grade Model 23 20 gauge with Winchokes and it was a fine upland gun for doves. However, I think the Light Duck version is far more elegant and closely resembles the Model 21 with its capped pistol grip and long semi-beavertail forearm.
If your Light Duck is in as fine a condition cosmetically as it appears to be and is mechanically the same, I would for my own use either have the chokes polished out to something more open — perhaps IC and Improved Modified – or investigate having tubes installed. I am not a waterfowl hunter.
However, the last time I looked on the Briley Website, the firm would no longer install tubes on side-by-side doubles. Briley’s last price for that work that I saw was five hundred dollars. Simmons used to do such work. I understand that it is an operation that, if done poorly, can alter where the gun shoots and not in a good way.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
March 23, 2026
OfflineZebulon said
I don’t think any of the Model 23 guns were made without automatic selective ejectors. The Model 23 is essentially a version of the Manufrance “Robust” model, made by Olin-Kodensha for Winchester.
I once owned a Pigeon Grade Model 23 20 gauge with Winchokes and it was a fine upland gun for doves. However, I think the Light Duck version is far more elegant and closely resembles the Model 21 with its capped pistol grip and long semi-beavertail forearm.
If your Light Duck is in as fine a condition cosmetically as it appears to be and is mechanically the same, I would for my own use either have the chokes polished out to something more open — perhaps IC and Improved Modified – or investigate having tubes installed. I am not a waterfowl hunter.
However, the last time I looked on the Briley Website, the firm would no longer install tubes on side-by-side doubles. Briley’s last price for that work that I saw was five hundred dollars. Simmons used to do such work. I understand that it is an operation that, if done poorly, can alter where the gun shoots and not in a good way.
My plan is to send the barrels to Briley for thin walls or at the very least open them to IC MOD.
i looked at many of these and this is the cleanest one I found. I almost got a pigeon grade until I realized they have a semi pistol grip and the light duck just looks more like my 21, a mini me sorta!
January 20, 2023
OfflineYes, I agree. I never did care for the “bag” grip of the 101 and 23 Pigeon Grades, even though i had a 101 PG 12 gauge as well as the 23. When I bought them, I had never seen the blue 23 guns. I can take the nitride finished receivers or leave them alone but my preference is for plain blue. The problem with the bag grips is their radii were too tight, unlike the semi-pistol round knob grips of the Browning Superposed.
But the capped grip you see on the Model 21 is just right and that’s what your 23 has as well.
I had always wanted a Model 21 Skeet Gun with a straight grip but when I finally got a 21, it was a Skeet Gun with a fairly open, uncapped pistol grip. It is a 1947 vintage gun but with the earlier 26″ barrels, pretty whippy and no tendency to follow through. The pistol grip gives me enough extra control to pull the gun through the target.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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