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January 9, 2023 - 2:39 am
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Greetings,

Did the term Heavy Duck originate with Winchester to describe said Model 12 or did the term originate somewhere else?

Thanks as always,

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Listed on page 69 in the book, “The Greatest Hammerless Repeating Shotgun Ever Built”, by Dave Riffle:  “On February 15, 1935, Winchester announced its new longer range wild \fowling gun, the Model 12 Heavy Duck gun.”    RDB

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January 11, 2023 - 1:44 am
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Thank you. 

I need to purchase a copy of that book. 

Mike 

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Hey All,

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/winchester-shotguns-model-12-heavy-duck/winchester-model-12-quot-heavy-duck-quot-.cfm?gun_id=102155349&contact_sent=1

wanted to get your opinion on this heavy duck?

 

my grandfather had the exact same shotgun from when we would go when i was a kid. 

 

Id like to keep that tradition instead of a Japanese made one. 

 

Could you let me know if this will work into todays hunting fields?

 

thanks again for all the help Laugh

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You can use this with non steel shot.  I don’t remember when lead for water foul was outlawed and I don’t know when the safe for steel shot barrels were first produced.  I have modern guns for hunting and I use Heavy Metal or Winchester Blind Side for ducks and geese.  Remington some years ago put out a warning about damage to the screw in chokes when using Heavy Shot which is a steel replacement.

My suggestion is to buy 2 guns one to keep the memories alive and another one to hunt with.  Check out the hunting laws where you plan to hunt and see what restrictions are in place for using lead.  Where I live lead can only be used at a shooting range. Never for hunting.

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January 11, 2023 - 7:33 pm
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Thank you so much Chuck ?

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Justin, re read my last post.  I was editing it when you last responded.

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Thanks so much Chuck. Yeah I really want to use the older Winchester, I understand the laws are different now.

seems that noting is what it use to be , I’ll have to get a newer one I suppose. 

thanks again chuck, I value your help 

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Can’t bismuth or tungsten shot be safely used in an old gun?

Expensive but would these be safe choices if someone really wanted to use an antique to hunt?

I would love to know if this is so because I have a M12 heavy duck that I may want to shoot over water someday.  Actually probably never will but still would like to know for sure, I have actually never fired it. 

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There are various ammo makes for old, classic guns.  Search for the shells, buy a few, and rejoice if you use them in your heavy duck model 12.  I have obsolete Tungsten/matrix in 2 and 3/4 inch that I used in my Browning Auto 5 to shoot the last duck my last lab retrieved.  Got them many years ago and they are no longer made, but others are.  BTW, pure tungsten is way expensive and by itself is too hard and brittle which was why the “matrix” of plastic to form a malleable and soft pellet. Some companies I think make such shells include Boss, maybe Bismuth is back, etc.  Going off the top of my head here, and I may be out of date once again.  Tim

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Further info.  Bismuth is back and available.  So is a “classic doubles” shell from Heavy Shot.  Didn’t see any from Boss shot shells.  Also I see I misspoke about using my Browning A-5 for the last duck for my last labrador.  I used my old Parker.  Bought the tungsten/matrix many years back to use in my Browning though.  At the time were about $1 per shell.  That would be a bargain today!  I did pull down three drake mallards out of a flock opening day the year I bought the shells, but went to pemium steel in a more modern gun built to handle it.  Tim

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Guys,

 

I just read this link and Bismuth-Tin can be used in old guns over water.

 

resd the link below and tell me what you think.

 

https://1source.basspro.com/news-tips/waterfowl-gear-technique/27344/non-toxic-shot-buyers-guide

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Justin Pynes said
Guys,

 

I just read this link and Bismuth-Tin can be used in old guns over water.

 

resd the link below and tell me what you think.

 

https://1source.basspro.com/news-tips/waterfowl-gear-technique/27344/non-toxic-shot-buyers-guide

  

I agree, there are some products that are safer.  Most of which are expensive.  Just don’t use steel.

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tim tomlinson said
Further info.  Bismuth is back and available.  So is a “classic doubles” shell from Heavy Shot.  Didn’t see any from Boss shot shells.  Also I see I misspoke about using my Browning A-5 for the last duck for my last labrador.  I used my old Parker.  Bought the tungsten/matrix many years back to use in my Browning though.  At the time were about $1 per shell.  That would be a bargain today!  I did pull down three drake mallards out of a flock opening day the year I bought the shells, but went to pemium steel in a more modern gun built to handle it.  Tim

  

I have my Dad’s 1955 manufacture A5 with a modified choke with a ringed barrel.  The maker of Heavy Shot makes Heavy Steel.  I use this for ducks and geese in my modern guns.

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Nice, I’m just relieved that there is a market to supply ammo for older shotguns 

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