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January 15, 2025 - 8:55 pm
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Let’s try another. Model 12 12 gauge serial number 709925 from 1936

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How long is the barrel? Looks like 26. 

 

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Do you know, has the stock been replaced? 

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Deg said
Do you know, has the stock been replaced? 

  

The odds are better than 50/50 that the stocks were upgraded (not original).

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Any way for me to tell?

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zhammett said
Any way for me to tell?

  

No, not really.

What I see is a noticeable difference in the color and condition of the butt stock versus the slide handle stock.  It also appears that somebody attempted to refresh (recut) the checkering on the pistol grip portion of the butt stock.

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Bert H. said

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Any way for me to tell?

  

No, not really.

What I see is a noticeable difference in the color and condition of the butt stock versus the slide handle stock.  It also appears that somebody attempted to refresh (recut) the checkering on the pistol grip portion of the butt stock.

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That is what I think I saw also.

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Hopefully it’s just the lighting. Ill bring this one to Tulsa 

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Great idea Zach!

 

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I’m not sure this brings anything to the conversation but, after enlarging some of the images several diameters, here is what I think I see:

1. The Walnut buttstock appears to be from a blank of straight-grained heartwood, something Winchester tried to use when it was available because of its strength, durability and ability to take finer checkering. The Walnut forearm appears to be made of sapwood, with another grain pattern entirely, although the latter may just be the result of having been turned in the round. Still, I thought that, at least in early years, Winchester made an effort to match two-piece stocks. 

2. The topcoats appear to be of different ages – the buttstock appears to have been finished in an oil varnish that has darkened over years of Sunlight exposure. The forearm topcoat appears to be clear lacquer. 

3. I’m certain the checkering was done by different workmen — the forearm was inexpertly done; way too many overruns. I agree with Bert the pistol grip pattern was at least partially recut at some point. 

4. I’m less certain about this and may well be wrong, but, whereas the buttstock pattern is fullsome,  the forearm side panels look too narrow, as if done at a much later date.

The finer points of the Model 12 escape me and I’m sure there are clues I cannot see, but is it possible the buttstock was original and the forearm a much later replacement from factory inventory or fabricated by a local stockmaker?

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I’d agree that the buttstock has been refinished – if you look at the close up of the butt-plate it looks like they just coated right over, at least the edge, of the butt-plate. That don’t look right  

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