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M-12 In the eye of the beholder
January 24, 2016
4:17 pm
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Enjoy your new to you Model 12. My father (73) and I (50) still shoot Model 12's and 42's on a regular basis for skeet and trap at our local club. I got my first Model 12 at age eleven and still can't get enough of them! Is your gun a factory Cutts gun or an add on? We have focused on the skeet and trap models for the last 30 years. Went to a big gun show yesterday and didn't see a single skeet gun and only one built up trap model. It's great to see and hear about people who still appreciate the good stuff!

February 4, 2016
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My father-in-law collects some Model 12's.  I asked him one time why he liked them and he relayed a story about he and a few friends going duck hunting one day.  They had all favored the automatic shotguns but one guy in the bunch had a Model 12, for which they made fun of him.  As the day went--rainy, wet, in the muck, and lots of shells shot, one by one all the automatic shotguns began to foul or wouldnt cycle but the old boy with the Model 12 just kept on shooting without the slightest bit of trouble.  He said since that day he sold his automatic shotgun and started buying Model 12's and has been using them for the past 40 or more years. 

I dont know much of anything about M12's but I recently came into a M12 Trap with some fancy wood and such.  Bought it to run some buckshot through to kill hogs at close range--it seems to do a good job on them.  Its got Cutts choke made by Lyman on the end of the barrel and I was wondering how you can tell if it was factory installed or installed post-factory?

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February 4, 2016
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Chris,

Is the left rear side of the barrel stamped with a choke marking, e.g. "FULL", "MOD", etc. ? On the guns with a factory installed Cutts Compensator, the barrel will not have a choke marking stamped on it. If it is marked, somebody other than Winchester installed the Cutts.

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February 4, 2016
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Bert,

Hadn't thought of that...There is no choke marking on the barrel. 

Thanks,

Chris

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February 21, 2016
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Is the Cutts compensator the same as a poly choke or are they two different devices?

February 21, 2016
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Chris,

Two completely different looking devices, but with the same purpose. I prefer the looks of the Cutts Compensator over the Polychoke.

A quick Google search will show you the difference between the two.

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February 21, 2016
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Thanks Bert,

Last question i have is, were poly chokes offered as a factory installed option as well and if so would those barrels not have had a choke designation?

-chris

February 22, 2016
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Chris,

I am not sure if a Polychoke was offered by Winchester or not, but in all cases when a choke device was factory installed, the barrel will not have a choke marking stamped on it.

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February 23, 2016
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Bert H. said

Chris,
I am not sure if a Polychoke was offered by Winchester or not, but in all cases when a choke device was factory installed, the barrel will not have a choke marking stamped on it.
Bert

Yes indeed Bert.  A local area dealer had a minty 16 gauge model 12 with a Poly Choke and no choke markings on the barrel.  The Poly Choke was marked "HARTFORD CONN."

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February 23, 2016
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I remembered this thread a couple weeks ago while at a gun show. This is why i was asking the questions above.

A regular vendor had a model 12 with poly choke and barrel stamped FULL in front of the receiver. As i held it he was quick to add that the poly choke was factory installed. I politely disagreed and told him that guns with factory installed devices would not have a choke indicated on the barrel. He got flustered and said sometimes they did or people sent their guns back to the factory for install. He was pretty adamant that it was put on at the factory. Since i wasnt interested in buying it anyway I put it down and bid him good day.

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