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M -93 Riot Gun
April 2, 2014
2:20 pm
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Funny you should ask, as I just very recently completed a full survey of the Model 1893. According to the factory ledger records, there were 34,176 Model 1893 shotguns manufactured. Of the number, 645 (1.9%) were Riot Guns. There are three of them out there that are real rare, as they were equipped with saddle rings.

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April 2, 2014
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So that would make total riot gun production about 650 units. I read somewhere that Winchester recalled and destroyed a bunch of M-93s. I wonder how many survived?

April 2, 2014
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There is no "about" at all, the exact number of Model 1893 Riot Guns made was 645.

In regards to the published information about the "recalled and destroyed" Model 1893s, that is for the most part an urban myth. Winchester never issued a "recall". They did publicly offer to replace a Model 1893 with a new Model 1897 if the owner so desired.

During my recent survey of the Model 1893 ledger records, I found that there were precisely 2,224 (6.5%) of them recorded as being returned and replaced with a Model 1897. The vast majority of the Model 1893 shotguns were not turned in.

Over the past several years, I have surveyed several hundred surviving guns and recorded them in my research survey. What is the serial number on your Riot Gun?

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April 4, 2014
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Thanks, Bert. I didn't know you had an exact count on the short barreled 93s. I am interested in learning what I can about the M-93/97 guns. (My first real quail hunt was with a M-97 16ga)
The serial number on this one is #5782
BTW, I have shot this gun with RST low pressure 2 1/2" shells.

April 4, 2014
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You are welcome.

Your Model 1893 Riot Gun was number 3 of 10 that were all shipped on November 23rd, 1893 on work order # 4841. There is no information as to where they were shipped or who bought them.

I am currently working on (writing) an article that will be published in the WACA Collector magazine sometime next year. If you are a WACA member, you will receive a free copy of the magazine quarterly.

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April 6, 2014
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Thanks again Bert, for all of the information that you have provided. BTW, I went back and re-read your first post, and I can't believe I missed the (645) production number that you very clearly stated, and only saw the 1.9%. (I have been working some long hours, and most of my web browsing has been via a smart phone)
The info you provided is consistent with the Cody letter. We can only speculate who the buyer was. I'm guessing a police department, or maybe a penal institution. Who knows?
Collector's value is apparently fairly high, as the only reference to a sale I could find was an auction sale where one example allegedly went for 9,600.
I'm not necessarily looking to sell this gun, but simply learn all I can. I have had a keen interest in the M-97 since my first experience with one, some 45 years ago. I am fascinated with the history and development leading to the Old 97.
BTW, I have killed countless crows with a custom stocked, short barreled, Briley choked M-97

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