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Range Report for 106 year-old Winchester 1892 Carbine 44 W.C.F. (photos)
December 23, 2019
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A month or so ago I received in the mail an original Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine 44-40 from northern British Columbia. The photos showed a carbine that had been up the creek and over the river .... a lot. It was probably a trapper's rifle, judging from all the history silently spoken in its appearance. It was made in 1913. I figured the bore would look like a corroded sewer pipe, nevertheless I liked the look of the old 44-40; it had never been refinished or messed with. Imagine my shock when it arrived and I cleaned the bore only to discover that it had sharp rifling the entire length of the barrel, with only very slight pitting just forward of the chamber. To help out my 65 year-old eyes, I mounted an original Marbles tang peep sight. Today I finally got to try it out at 100 yards. Photos of my vintage carbine and target are below.

Load: 20 grains of 5744 under a 207 grain Accurate 431200B cast bullet sized to .429". Velocity is about 1,310 fps.

Results at 100 yards: Resting my carbine on my shooting bag, I got a 5-shot group at 100 yards of 2 & 3/8" with Winchester brass. I shot a total of 3 groups, two 5-shot groups and one 3-shot group. Measuring the 13 bullet holes on the paper backing, I got a 13-shot group at 100 yards of 2 & 5/8". For you fellows with modern scoped rifles, this is nothing special at all. But for a 106 year-old 44-40 carbine shooting soft cast bullets, this is outstanding!

The old saddle ring carbine is definitely a keeper. I love it's history and it's accuracy.

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December 23, 2019
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Kirk-

Good shooting! Good job on the load, too. Tom makes an excellent mould, I like the profile of that one. Anything special for lube? 

 

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December 23, 2019
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Mike, I use SPG for all my cast bullets.

December 24, 2019
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Funny how many people don’t think to use SPG on smokeless loads, one sizer stays full of it. I keep the other sizer full of BAC for rifle loads and such.

 

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December 24, 2019
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I even use SPG for my 30-30 loads and it seems to work just fine with no leading .... and those bullets are coming out between 2,000 fps and 2,100 fps.

December 24, 2019
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Kirk Durston said
I even use SPG for my 30-30 loads and it seems to work just fine with no leading .... and those bullets are coming out between 2,000 fps and 2,100 fps.  

Just curious, but are those 30-30 bullets have a gas check installed?

December 24, 2019
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Great shooting.  I love it when I can put all shots in the black and close together like this gun did. 

December 24, 2019
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Great shooting.  I love it when I can put all shots in the black and close together like this gun did.   

That’s another thing that some folks aren’t aware of; these old Winchesters shoot! Almost every old Winchester that I’ve taken the time to develop loads for, even those with less than perfect bores, have been remarkably good shooters. They’d shoot even better if it wasn’t for the loose nut behind the butt.Wink

 

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That’s another thing that some folks aren’t aware of; these old Winchesters shoot! Almost every old Winchester that I’ve taken the time to develop loads for, even those with less than perfect bores, have been remarkably good shooters. They’d shoot even better if it wasn’t for the loose nut behind the butt.Wink

 

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Hey, I resemble that remark.  If it has rifling it will shoot.  Then it is up to the nut to make it hit where he wants it.

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That’s another thing that some folks aren’t aware of; these old Winchesters shoot! Almost every old Winchester that I’ve taken the time to develop loads for, even those with less than perfect bores, have been remarkably good shooters. They’d shoot even better if it wasn’t for the loose nut behind the butt.Wink

 

Mike  

I don't know about this. When I was a kid hunting in the clear cuts of Western Washington, and those deer were bounding across the landscape, I could lever those rounds off like The Rifleman without knocking a hair off them. As I got older, the accuracy of my Winchesters improved greatly.

Shoot low boys. They're riding Shetland Ponies.

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Davetm said

Just curious, but are those 30-30 bullets have a gas check installed?  

Yes. Gas check plus pure wheel weights, water cooled (making them quite hard), then SPG.

January 13, 2020
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Kirk Durston said
A month or so ago I received in the mail an original Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine 44-40 from northern British Columbia. The photos showed a carbine that had been up the creek and over the river .... a lot. It was probably a trapper's rifle, judging from all the history silently spoken in its appearance. It was made in 1913. I figured the bore would look like a corroded sewer pipe, nevertheless I liked the look of the old 44-40; it had never been refinished or messed with. Imagine my shock when it arrived and I cleaned the bore only to discover that it had sharp rifling the entire length of the barrel, with only very slight pitting just forward of the chamber. To help out my 65 year-old eyes, I mounted an original Marbles tang peep sight. Today I finally got to try it out at 100 yards. Photos of my vintage carbine and target are below.

Load: 20 grains of 5744 under a 207 grain Accurate 431200B cast bullet sized to .429". Velocity is about 1,310 fps.

Results at 100 yards: Resting my carbine on my shooting bag, I got a 5-shot group at 100 yards of 2 & 3/8" with Winchester brass. I shot a total of 3 groups, two 5-shot groups and one 3-shot group. Measuring the 13 bullet holes on the paper backing, I got a 13-shot group at 100 yards of 2 & 5/8". For you fellows with modern scoped rifles, this is nothing special at all. But for a 106 year-old 44-40 carbine shooting soft cast bullets, this is outstanding!

The old saddle ring carbine is definitely a keeper. I love it's history and it's accuracy.

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100% Outstanding!!!!!

There are nine powders listed in burn rate between IMR-4227 and Reloder 7. I have already tried IMR and H-4198 with okay results. Have yet to run across H-4227. 5744 was one I wanted to try but never really pursued it. I may have to try and locate some.

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