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Winchester 1895 in .30-40 Krag
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It appears that the .30-40 Krag cartridge was developed as a smokeless cartridge. Therefore, all Winchester 1895’s, including flatsides, can be fired safely with smokeless powder. I believe this to be correct, even if these date to as early as 1895? Is this indeed correct?

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I have a 95 Flatside in 30/40 , and have fired different brands of factory in It ( mostly Win of various ages ) ,and never noticed any ill effects.( FWIW ) Kick was less than I expected

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I have a reproduction of the Winchester 1896 catalogue and smokeless cartridges were offered for both the 38-72 and the 40-72, so the earliest 1895’s could safely be fired using smokeless cartridges and modern smokeless loads duplicating original pressures and velocities.

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The Model 1895 was chambered in .405Win and 30-06 Sprg granted the 30-06 did beat up the bolt face a bit with heavy use but the design is very strong.

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25-20 said
I have a 95 Flatside in 30/40 , and have fired different brands of factory in It ( mostly Win of various ages ) ,and never noticed any ill effects.( FWIW ) Kick was less than I expected

Phil

How about a picture of your flatside?

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My Flatside has been refinished which may upset some . I have a couple of lpics that I could email to anyone who can post pics. I want to get a good digital camera and learn to post pics . I was hoping that this site will change to a simple format like email attachment for pics

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"The first smokeless caliber ever loaded by Winchester in 1893 though not cataloged until 1894 was the "30U.S.G." Though better known as the 30-40 Krag, that headstamp did not appear on Winchester Cartridges until after WWII" -Page 209 of Giles & Shuey’s "One Hundred Years of Winchester Cartridge Boxes 1856-1956".

Just thought I’d quote that little tid bit as it seems to explain things quite well.

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http://s860.photobucket.com/user/Flatside/media/cb7df3bd-7d28-4d97-a2bb-632a21b49e34_zps4c83c1c9.jpg.html

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I’ve been collecting 1895’s for a while and always wanted a flatside, but never had the opportunity. As luck would have it, I got the chance for two in the past few months and I finally had a few bucks when the right deals came along. The first is a 40-72 with octagon barrel and serial number 637. Just yesterday picked up the one in back. It’s a 30-40 Krag with the almost unreal serial number 29.

Haven’t had the chance to shoot either one yet, but will work up some light target loads for both. I certainly don’t plan to hunt with either of them, so don’t feel the need to push any kind of heavy load through them. Although, if either of them groups well, I may be tempted to sneak out to the alfalfa field and go after a buck. Thanks for letting me share.

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Ooo I am envious of the 40-72 flat side!! Don’t hesitate to load some cartridges to original ballistics for that one, provided you use smokeless powder slower than 2400. I had a 38-72 and found that 5744 with a magnum primer was just the ticket. Got a nice doe with mine, but it was not a flat side.

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Mark D. said

http://s860.photobucket.com/user/Flatside/media/cb7df3bd-7d28-4d97-a2bb-632a21b49e34_zps4c83c1c9.jpg.html

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I’ve been collecting 1895’s for a while and always wanted a flatside, but never had the opportunity. As luck would have it, I got the chance for two in the past few months and I finally had a few bucks when the right deals came along. The first is a 40-72 with octagon barrel and serial number 637. Just yesterday picked up the one in back. It’s a 30-40 Krag with the almost unreal serial number 29.

Haven’t had the chance to shoot either one yet, but will work up some light target loads for both. I certainly don’t plan to hunt with either of them, so don’t feel the need to push any kind of heavy load through them. Although, if either of them groups well, I may be tempted to sneak out to the alfalfa field and go after a buck. Thanks for letting me share.

Very neat!

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Nice find. I like those flatsides with the tapered octagon barrels. Mine’s a .38-72, but serial number is not near as low as yours.

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I’m kind of partial to the 38-72 as well. I have a second model with a round barrel. I’ve got a set of reloading dies for it, but haven’t come up with any brass yet. Thanks for the advise on using 5744. Been going to give it and 4759 a try.

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Buffalo Arms might have some made by Captech (formerly Jamison). I had some and it was first class stuff.

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I saw that first model .40-72 serial# 637 for sale at Collectors Firearms awhile back. Very nice rifle and very good buy, too. I was thinking about buying it, but "somebody" beat me to it… Wink

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I hesitated briefly, since I already have a second model 40-72 with a 26" tapered octagon barrel. Alas, my overwhelming need for a flatside outweighed the grief I was knew I was going to get from my wife. 🙂

I live in a pretty remote area, so I don’t get to many gun shows except for the November Big Reno Show. That means I have to take some chances on internet guns and occasionally get lucky like I did on that one.

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