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Your thoughts on this Winchester Model 1894 deluxe that just sold on gun broker
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April 4, 2022 - 2:32 pm
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This model 1894 deluxe just sold on gun broker for $10,000. Really?  

What are your thoughts?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927213069

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A very heavily used if not abused specimen.  I like the serial number but as far as my wallet is concerned, my high bid would have been about $6,500.

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a first year 1894 (sic) with a nickel steel barrel in 38-55 with post 1905 markings (WP and caliber marking on the left handside) ?

Would a non original gun in this sad state even warrant $6500?

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April 4, 2022 - 3:39 pm
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And it’s not even a first model receiver with the 10 oclock screw. 

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wow, even my novice brain knows this rifle is not a first model and nowhere near worth 10k!!!

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wow, even my novice brain knows this rifle is not a first model and nowhere near worth 10k!!!

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tionesta1 said
This model 1894 deluxe just sold on gun broker for $10,000. Really?  

What are your thoughts?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927213069  

Aside from the issues already mentioned, the post 1905 markings(non original) ends it for me. That said & the is there any collector value?  Certainly some nice lettered features but…

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RickC said

Aside from the issues already mentioned, the post 1905 markings(non original) ends it for me. That said & the is there any collector value?  Certainly some nice lettered features but…  

They probably swapped the barrel out, and proof marked it when it went back for R&R in 1913, and 1914. 

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Just read that Al about the R&R’s at the bottom of the description. Would be nice if the R&R stated the repairs or changes on the letter. It might make a difference to some. 

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Would be nice if the R&R stated the repairs or changes on the letter. It might make a difference to some.   

No doubt it would, but the (usually) unspecified work done during a R&R is generally pretty easy to deduce from the physical evidence provided by the gun itself.  Though I know few or none would agree, I regard an R&R notation as adding to the history of any gun, so far from considering it the mark of Cain, I think it adds interest to the gun–the idea that a previous owner took the trouble to ship it back to the factory (at that time, probably had to be done by Railway Express) to “improve” it in some way.  

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I have an 1894 deluxe where the letter actually specifies the work that was done during the R&R. 

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I have an 1894 deluxe where the letter actually specifies the work that was done during the R&R. 

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Certainly adds to the history & should, I think, even add to the value of this gun–which obviously belonged to a man who thought carefully about what he could do to make it better, for him at least.  Specifying the Lyman, & esp., paying extra to omit the brl. slot, indicates he was a real rifleman.  Why should this R&R work be considered any less “original” than the gun in its original configuration?

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I have an 1894 deluxe where the letter actually specifies the work that was done during the R&R. 

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That’s the first one I’ve seen Al. It definitely doesn’t deduct value for me not being the original configuration I can see Clarence’s point about maybe adding value. Would like see a pic of it if possible. 

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The letter was one of the reasons I bought the gun.  I don’t think it is very common for the ledgers to specify what was done during an R&R, and the rifle itself isn’t bad either.Laugh

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I would say. Wow nice rifle. Thanks for sharing Al it’s a beauty. 

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The letter was one of the reasons I bought the gun.  I don’t think it is very common for the ledgers to specify what was done during an R&R, and the rifle itself isn’t bad either.Laugh

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Wow, that thing is gorgeous!

 

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Wow, that thing is gorgeous!

 

Frank  

No better way to describe it.  Whoever ordered this showpiece obviously wasn’t pinching pennies, which makes me wonder why he didn’t merely order a new rifle built to his specifications, rather than have his old one rebuilt.  The combination of shotgun butt & Lyman 21 proves that individual was a real rifleman who knew what he was doing, & would probably have an interesting biography if he could be identified.

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April 5, 2022 - 3:46 pm
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If only this rifle could talk.

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The letter was one of the reasons I bought the gun.  I don’t think it is very common for the ledgers to specify what was done during an R&R, and the rifle itself isn’t bad either.Laugh

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Wow, that thing is gorgeous!

 

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