I have been seeing, and different gun sales sights the statement,” this Winchester has matching numbers”. I understand that if you are talking about a model 12 where the receiver and the barrel should have matching numbers but I am seeing it on Rifles, most recently on a model 55 Winchester. Can somebody tell me where there would be numbers that should match up on a Winchester 55 or any other Winchester rifle. I ask one of the sellers what he was talking about but never got a answer.
I see this from time to time on old cars and most people do not understand the meaning. There are no parts such as a engine, transmission etc. that match. The matching numbers on a car means the parts match what was on the factory build sheet . Without the build sheet you would never know if you have a car with matching numbers.
jerry thomas said
I ask one of the sellers what he was talking about but never got a answer.
Because he’s a fool repeating something he doesn’t properly understand himself. Winchester’s manufacturing system allowed their parts to be so perfectly interchangeable that no hand fitting was required–and the need for some hand fitting is generally the reason barrels & other parts are numbered together.
jerry thomas said
I have been seeing, and different gun sales sights the statement,” this Winchester has matching numbers”. I understand that if you are talking about a model 12 where the receiver and the barrel should have matching numbers but I am seeing it on Rifles, most recently on a model 55 Winchester. Can somebody tell me where there would be numbers that should match up on a Winchester 55 or any other Winchester rifle. I ask one of the sellers what he was talking about but never got a answer.I see this from time to time on old cars and most people do not understand the meaning. There are no parts such as a engine, transmission etc. that match. The matching numbers on a car means the parts match what was on the factory build sheet . Without the build sheet you would never know if you have a car with matching numbers.
I have a numbers matching and date code correct car. I will explain one part. My engine block has a cast date and a cast part number. The block is stamped the exact day that it was assembled and was given and stamped a sequence number. The Vin includes the scheduled build date of the car. All the parts on the engine have part numbers and cast dates. The engine block was cast in December of 63. The engine was assembled a couple weeks later still in 63. The car was built in the first week of January 64. All of my date codes parts were made between September of 63 to December of 63. Some parts are marked with the exact shift the part was made.
Guns aren’t marked like this but you have to know what parts were made when. You don’t want an old gun to have newer style parts. The reverse is OK since old parts were not thrown out. They were used up till they were gone. Some guns have the receiver and the barrel marked with the serial number. Special Winchesters had assembly numbers put on the parts so they stayed with the correct gun.
Winchester’s should have matching assembly numbers. The guns serial number does not match the assembly numbers.
On the later model shotguns that are take-downs, they should have matching serial numbers on the take-down portion and the receiver portion of the gun.
Here is a general example on a 73.
http://www.rarewinchesters.com/gunroom/1873/M73-036005/73-036005-10.jpg
This is a pretty general rule of thumb. There are always exceptions to the rule. If I find a Winchester without matching assembly numbers, my 1st conclusion is that parts have been changed outside the factory by whomever.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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On Dlx grade 73s and 76s the side plates have the last two digits of the serial number stamped inside. I suppose they were fit before the finish was applied and needed to be assembled to the same frame to fit. It is not uncommon to find a side plate a few digits off, but original to the gun, I can only speculate the side plate failed to fit or match after case coloring and another was substituted. T/R
Tedk said
Model 70 receiver and bolt.
One of the special cases where hand-fitting or hand-selection (to achieve correct headspace) was required. The way it was done at Springfield Armory was by having a worker try out different new bolts in a new receiver until he found one that gauged properly.
TR said
On Dlx grade 73s and 76s the side plates have the last two digits of the serial number stamped inside. I suppose they were fit before the finish was applied and needed to be assembled to the same frame to fit. It is not uncommon to find a side plate a few digits off, but original to the gun, I can only speculate the side plate failed to fit or match after case coloring and another was substituted. T/R
That’s interesting Tom. I don’t like messing with side plates but I guess I might have to now. One of my deluxe guns has an assembly number off by 2 digits on one of the parts.
clarence said
On standard grade guns? That ’73 photo was a special order.
Standard guns. That is why I said its a general rule.
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