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Hi,
I am reasembling my winchester 92. I put a empty case in the ejector, put the bolt in, and attached the lever to it. Now I am trying to put the lever pin back in, but the holes wont align. If I align the bolt so that the pin fits in the bolt hole (but not the lever), the lockplates won’t slide in because the bolt isnt in far enough. Likewise, if I push the lever in all the way so the lock plates go all the way up, the hole to the bolt isn’t aligned. Additionally, to remove the lever I really need wiggle it out to get it out. It gets stuck somewhere when all the way in. Am I doing something wrong, and how can I get this pin back in?
Thanks
When you put the ejector into the underside of the bolt make sure you can depress the ejector (with spring and collar) into the bolt with your finger. The head of the lever slides right in straddling the ejector and on both sides of the bolt. With your finger on the ejector, depressed into the bolt, insert the head of the lever into the underside of the bolt when the bolt is about half way open. Once inserted into the bolt, slowly push the bolt and lever forward, holding your finger depressing the ejector as far as you can, applying pressure to the lever so it wont come out of the bolt and slide the bolt closed. Once the bolt is closed and lever engaged in the bolt, slide in one of the locking lugs to hold the bolt and lever in place. If the bolt does not close all the way, take the bolt back out and turn the ejector spring a quarter turn and try again, sometimes it helps to index them or the collar (noticed that some of the collars on these are a little wider on one side. Use a punch to line up the holes for the bolt and lever. Insert the tapered end of the pin into the hole and if it is a little tough, I sometimes have to take a brass hammer and tap the pin, it will go, but dont beat it to death–then things get messed up. Once the pin is in there you can assemble and pin/screw both locking lugs in place. Sounds like your not getting the lever to engage the underside of the bolt properly.
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"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
I have never attempted to reassemble any weapon with an empty cartridge case in the chamber, nor have I ever had the problem you describe in reassembling a Model 1892. Try it again without the case.
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Thanks for the help. I will try to reassemble it without the ejector and see if that is the issue. You say you don’t use a shell to reasemble. How do you keep the shell ejector from coming out then? Thanks
Now I understand your problem. You are doing it wrong to start with. If you need a shell in place to hold the ejector, what do you think will happen if you ever get to fire a round? My guess is that the ejector will eject itself. See my post here and follow the NRA instructions:
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/1892-assemblydisassembly-procedure/
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I appreciate all your help. I saw your post, however I do not understand why the ejector keep popping out when trying to assemble. It is my understanding that the lever pin holds it in place when when put together, but I can’t manage to get the lever pin in without it popping out.
You may have the spring and the bushing in the wrong order. When you hold the muzzle up the ejector should not pop out. If it does you probably have the wrong spring, possibly one from a Model 1886.
You didn’t mention anything about the piece you are working on. I’m assuming it is a genuine Model 1892 Winchester rifle or carbine, Made by Winchester in Connecticut, USA and not some South American, European or Asian imitation. You also didn’t mention if you recently bought it or how old it is. In any event, a genuine Winchester has gone through several ownerships in it’s lifetime and has been disassembled, assembled, repaired and even possibly modified numerous times. In the process it is quite possible that wrong parts such as screws, pins and springs have been used over the years, hence my suggestion that you may have an 1886 spring instead of the correct 1892 spring. The correct spring for and 1892 should be 25/32″ long, have 5 coils and slide loosely through the hole in the breech bolt.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
The spring is about 25/32, however has 10 coils. The ejector does not pop out when just sitting it, it pops out when I wiggle the lever on, as the lever is putting pressure on the spring. Thanks a lot for helping me fogure this out!
The secret, then, is to assemble the bolt parts and insert the bolt in the receiver all the way in. Then insert the locking bolts just enough to hold the breech in place. Then jimmy the lever into place. If the firing pin gets moved in the process, which it probably will, then pull the firing pin out as far as it will go and hold it in place with one hand while you jimmy the lever into place. Sometimes it is helpful to insert a drift into the lever/breechbolt pin hole in the receiver to hold everything in place until the lever is almost all the way in. Once the lever has slipped into place I like inserting successively larger diameter drifts until all the holes are perfectly lined up and then I insert the pin. You will notice that one end of the pin is slightly beveled and this is to assist in pulling back the ejector if it has traveled a little forward.
BTW: the diagram is incorrect. The lever/breechbolt pin cannot be inserted from the right. It goes in from the hole on the left side of the receiver when everything is lined up. Once you’ve had some practice, the breech and lever reassembly part can be done in a matter of a minute or so, as long as the pin hasn’t been buggered up.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Try assembling the ejector in the bolt, the lever to the bolt, and put in the pin so you can see how it all fits together in the receiver. The ejector will try to push out when you insert the lever into place, thats why youve got to hold that ejector in place with your finger while your inserting the lever in the bolt, then slide the bolt, with the lever engaged, closed, then add the pin. All I can say is to keep trying till it happens. And definitely, as mentioned by Winchacher, you dont need a empty cartridge in the mix to contend with.
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"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
November 7, 2015
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1892takedown said
….. And definitely, as mentioned by Wincacher, you dont need a empty cartridge in the mix to contend with.
Thanks for clarifying that! I used one to adjust an 1894TD Marlin extractor the other day and I thought I was going to learn a new trick on the 1892 Winchester today. 😉
Good news, got it together! The holes were just about lined up, but not perfect to push in by hand. So a few LIGHT taps with a hammer was enough to get the parts to adjust correctly for the pin to fit. The empty shell made assembling a lot easier for me, as when I removed my fiber to close the bolt the ejector would just pop out again. Personal preference I suppose. Thanks for the help fellas! Time to make some ammo for it!
November 7, 2015
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Glad to read you got it back together. What’s the chambering of this 1892?
Mike
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