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I came across a 1895 Saddle Ring Carbine that has a caliber stamp of 30 on the top off the receiver. I cannot seem to find out any information related to a designation of just the number 30 and nothing else. I was told that it is a 30-40 Krag caliber. All of my reference books I have list the 30-40 Krag caliber as either 30 U.S. or .30 ARMY with no mention of just 30.
Does anyone know if it is in fact a 30-40 Krag caliber and why it would only have a 30 designation. I am thinking maybe a special order civilian model however not sure though.
Below is a picture of the caliber marking.
Thanks,
Phil
I am guessing 30 U.S. and the U.S. has been worn off. Have you pulled the forearm and/or top guard off to see what is underneath?
Have you tried chambering a cartridge?
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Maverick,
There is definitely not any type of US stamp near the 30 marking. That is what threw me off as I went through my Madis and Pirkle
reference books and could not find any discussion or pictures to just a 30 marking.
I came across the firearm for sell however I did not buy the rifle to be able to check the barrel markings or to try and chamber a cartridge.
Just for future buying reference I am trying to understand the 30 only marking.
Thanks,
Phil
Also the to add.
The S/N came back as manufactured in 1912 on this website however the owner stated they thought
it was made in 1915 and was a 30-40 Krag caliber. Maybe this will help with explaining why just the 30 marking.
Thanks,
Phil
Without seeing pictures of the barrel it is hard to tell for certain what is going on with the barrel. If you buy it, let us know and post some pictures of it.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Maverick,
Without not being able to validate or verify the markings in my reference books I passed on the sale. You are right, the barrel markings would be the key to the actual caliber. For future reference trying to figure out what I came across.
Thanks for the help,
Phil
The 30 isn’t centered, so there was likely more that should have been visible, but got buffed off. I’m thinking it used to be .30 US
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We have images of some other carbines that are just marked “30” and show one in the book. If memory serves, they were all earlier, before the 30-03 or 30-06. It’s risky business to assume anything but a logical explanation would be that “30” was sufficient until they started chambering the other 30 calibers in the Model 1895. I’m not sure if we’d seen a serial number that late and marked with just a “30.” If it’s from 1912 it’s getting into “.30 ARMY” address territory. If you have one marked “30” I would try to physically verify what cartridge it’s actually chambered for.
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