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Winchester 1894 early serial number
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Hello to all,

 
I’ve started collecting Winchesters the last year and have a very small collection which I shoot and reload on a weekly basis:
 
-1974 30-30
-1978 44mag
-1974 22lr
-2001-2002 ,410 (no tang safety or choke and low serial number)
 
A gun shop that I know is selling what he is claiming to be a “first year” 1894. 
 
Condition seems to me to be modest at best but I have no experience with rifles that old. 
 
Serial number is 4641 which if I’m not mistaken places this in the 1895 production year and not “first year”. 
 
The gun shop is also IMO incorrectly stating it to be a 32 Winchester Special which would not be possible as that cartridge came out in 1901 if not mistaken. 
 
The available pictures (which I will link) make it very difficult to verify with 100% certainty but it clearly shows some numbers after the 32 on the barrel. (Picture 10)
 
Would I be correct in thinking it would be a 32-40 ?
Do you think the condition is “ok” or should I pass on this ?
 
Before calling the gunshop (which I have bought other guns from in the past) I would appreciate as much information that I could get. 
 
In any case, I hope this information could help Bert in his surveying. 
 
Have a nice day to all
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The URL to the pictures does not work correctly.  The pictures are not viewable without being logged into the account.  Please send the pictures directly to my email.

In response to your question(s), it is a second year Model 1894 (May 1895), and as such, it is most likely a 32-40.

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Bert H. said
The URL to the pictures does not work correctly.  The pictures are not viewable without being logged into the account.  Please send the pictures directly to my email.
In response to your question(s), it is a second year Model 1894 (May 1895), and as such, it is most likely a 32-40.
Bert – [email protected]
  

Bert,

Thank you for the confirmation of year and for the month of production. 

I just sent you an email and please do let me know which image hosting works best as I do not have much experience with this. 

Alex

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The photos opened for me and you can see the caliber marking 32-40, it has no finish on metal left and cleaned heavily with steel wool and or emery paper. The wood has a very poor refinish job and the bore is not very good, but may still shoot ok. I would pass or not pay very much for it

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Agreed, pass, too rough, unless you can get it for a song.

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cj57 said
The photos opened for me and you can see the caliber marking 32-40, it has no finish on metal left and cleaned heavily with steel wool and or emery paper. The wood has a very poor refinish job and the bore is not very good, but may still shoot ok. I would pass or not pay very much for it
  

Steven Gabrielli said
Agreed, pass, too rough, unless you can get it for a song.
  

Yes you are both correct and Bert has also confirmed this. Unfortunately it’s not for sale cheap so will have to pass on it. 

Just a shame that someone down the line treated this rifle so roughly. 

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That carbine has seen some weather!  A top, “poster child” candidate for the descriptor, “weathered appearance.”  Also a poster child for, “glossy revarnish.”  Were it mine (which likely wouldn’t happen) I get rid of the varnish very quickly.

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steve004 said
That carbine has seen some weather!  A top, “poster child” candidate for the descriptor, “weathered appearance.”  Also a poster child for, “glossy revarnish.”  Were it mine (which likely wouldn’t happen) I get rid of the varnish very quickly.
  

Steve,

I also noticed that shiny varnish that looks terrible on it. Like, cj57 said, the heavy cleaning that was done with the steel wool and emery paper, is obvious. How about the wood to metal fit that’s pretty obvious as the sanded rounded corner on the wood, hence the heavy varnish being applied, as a cleaned up example and a poor refinish job over dirt and debris, maybe to make it possibly look older or more antique sh ! 

Tony

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Anthony said

steve004 said
That carbine has seen some weather!  A top, “poster child” candidate for the descriptor, “weathered appearance.”  Also a poster child for, “glossy revarnish.”  Were it mine (which likely wouldn’t happen) I get rid of the varnish very quickly.
  

Steve,
I also noticed that shiny varnish that looks terrible on it. Like, cj57 said, the heavy cleaning that was done with the steel wool and emery paper, is obvious. How about the wood to metal fit that’s pretty obvious as the sanded rounded corner on the wood, hence the heavy varnish being applied, as a cleaned up example and a poor refinish job over dirt and debris, maybe to make it possibly look older or more antique sh ! 
Tony
  

I agree Tony.  I think that what’s been done to it takes it out of the realm of, “character” carbine – which is the most it could be.

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