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Winchester 1892 Used for the American Express Co Stagecoaches as Protector Rifles
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Ralph Lorenz
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I have an antique Winchester model 1892 rifle, circa 1912, that has Am.Ex.Co etched in the stock along with a three digit inventory number stamped in the receiver. I believe this rifle was used for protection on stage coaches. Has anyone ever seen similar, or does anyone have any information about such a rifle?

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Hello Ralph,

First, if it is a 1912 production Model 1892, it is not an “antique”.  In order to qualify as an “antique” per Federal regulation, the date of manufacture must be something before January 1st, 1899.

While I am not 100% sure, it is my belief that stages coaches had gone the way of the Do-Do birds by the year 1912.

“As the railroad continued to push westward, stagecoach service became less and less in demand. With the completion of the transcontinental railroad in 1869, transcontinental stage-coaching came to an end.

However, this was not the end of the stagecoach, as it continued to be utilized in areas without railroad service for several more decades. In the end, it was actually, the introduction of the automobile that led to the end of the stagecoach in the early 1900’s.”

I suspect that your Model 1892 may have seen service on the railway routes.

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Vehicles per 1,000 people in the United States in 1912 was 9.90.  Which is certainly many, many times greater than the number of stagecoaches per 1,000 people in 1912:

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-841-october-6-2014-vehicles-thousand-people-us-vs-other-world-regions

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Hi Bert,

Thank you for clarifying the Antique standards, I was not aware. Let’s say “Vintage” then. Regarding your statement about stage coaches, I guess my question shifts to what would American Express have used them for in the early 1900s? I shared some images via the link below and I welcome any additional feedback you have. This rifle has been in my family for 50+ years and we’ve always had lots of questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wkccxvir30az7nc/AACVGkmcb1Qhu0pR7AW_CfBXa?dl=0

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Interesting rifle. Carbine butt and forend but longer barrel and with a different rear sight than expected.  This gun was used by a guard lo guard a shipment. Maybe on a train or some other mode of transportation.  In 1912 it could have been a truck.

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibition/america%E2%80%99s-mailing-industry-industry-segments-financial-services-industry/american-express

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Ralph Lorenz said
Hi Bert,

Thank you for clarifying the Antique standards, I was not aware. Let’s say “Vintage” then. Regarding your statement about stage coaches, I guess my question shifts to what would American Express have used them for in the early 1900s? I shared some images via the link below and I welcome any additional feedback you have. This rifle has been in my family for 50+ years and we’ve always had lots of questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wkccxvir30az7nc/AACVGkmcb1Qhu0pR7AW_CfBXa?dl=

  

Ralph,

The term that best describes any Winchester manufactured in the years 1899 – 1973 is “Curio & Relic” or simply “C&R”.

I believe that it could have been used as a guard gun on a railway route, or an early form of a Brinks Armored truck.

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Chuck said
Interesting rifle. Carbine butt and forend but longer barrel and with a different rear sight than expected.  This gun was used by a guard lo guard a shipment. Maybe on a train or some other mode of transportation.  In 1912 it could have been a truck.

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibition/america%E2%80%99s-mailing-industry-industry-segments-financial-services-industry/american-express

  

Chuck,

Unless I am missing something, it appears to have a standard 20-inch Carbine barrel, and a No. 44A rear sight.

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Bert H. said

Chuck said

Interesting rifle. Carbine butt and forend but longer barrel and with a different rear sight than expected.  This gun was used by a guard lo guard a shipment. Maybe on a train or some other mode of transportation.  In 1912 it could have been a truck.

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibition/america%E2%80%99s-mailing-industry-industry-segments-financial-services-industry/american-express

  

Chuck,

Unless I am missing something, it appears to have a standard 20-inch Carbine barrel, and a No. 44A rear sight.

Bert

  

Looked longer to me in the picture?

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Chuck said

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Chuck,

Unless I am missing something, it appears to have a standard 20-inch Carbine barrel, and a No. 44A rear sight.

Bert

Looked longer to me in the picture?

Optical illusion created by the camera angle.  If you compare the overall barrel length to the forend stock length, it looks perfectly normal.

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