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Hello Everyone, I have a line on this Winchester 1892 chambered in 44-40, I know that these rifles are demanding a pretty hefty price tag these days, but this one is not in collector grade by any means. The receiver has been re-blued, the stock has been sanded or it may not even be the correct stock. The rifle dates back to 1917 based on the serial number. Bore is shinny, and the kicker is that it was imported by Century Arms. The question is, is this rifle worth the $1300.00 price tag? being a Winchester and having an importer mark, does this add or detract from the value?

Thoughts please.

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The Importer’s mark is the least damaging aspect of that gun.  The absolute horrible sanding and refinishing of the stocks, and the poor quality reblue are deal killers (and destroyed the value).  I personally would not entertain purchasing that gun for anything greater than $750, and only if it has a decent bore and shoots good.  That stated, there is undoubtedly somebody out there that will pay the asking price.

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I’d rather have a Rossi .357 Mag carbine for under $500.  Would make me sick looking at the way the Century gun has been put through the meat grinder.

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Thanks guys, that is what I was suspecting, around 750.00. Someone will buy it, just not me.

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Thanks guys, that is what I was suspecting, around 750.00. Someone will buy it, just not me.

Yes, & show it off to their equally ignorant friends as “amazing mint cond.”

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20230727_18341620448.jpgImage Enlarger20230727_18340420450.jpgImage Enlargeri’m  quite happy  with   my  44 Magnum  Rossi carbine,  the 16″ trapper  type, althought , i restocked  it  with a Winchester Forearm and  scratch  buttstock,Civil war  plate bit , heavier and longer.  the safety works  better shooter  that  the  Winchester  shown.  short range.rifle.

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I agree with all of the above posts. The oversanding and stock fit probably bother me more than the rebluing.

The only justification I could imagine for purchasing a  rifle in this condition is if you are involved in Cowboy shooting sports, and wish to use a ‘semi-authentic’ rifle for the competitions, but don’t wish to bet up a classic in great condition.

 

I’ve long fantasized and considered taking a couple of my model 92’s, model 97 and Colt SAA and entering a Cowboy event with all authentic and correct weapons. I haven’t done it, but it would be a hoot.

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I agree with all of the above posts. The oversanding and stock fit probably bother me more than the rebluing.

Most competitors now use repros of one make or another; there are some very good ones available for far less money than originals.

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Hello Everyone, I have a line on this Winchester 1892 chambered in 44-40, I know that these rifles are demanding a pretty hefty price tag these days, but this one is not in collector grade by any means. The receiver has been re-blued, the stock has been sanded or it may not even be the correct stock. The rifle dates back to 1917 based on the serial number. Bore is shinny, and the kicker is that it was imported by Century Arms. The question is, is this rifle worth the $1300.00 price tag? being a Winchester and having an importer mark, does this add or detract from the value?

Thoughts please.

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Good morning,

Can you tell me the serial number of the rifle please?  Is it the one currently listed at Cabela’s in La Vista, NE?  I would like to include it in my survey of the Model 1892 rifles which I am working on.  During this effort I have identified 72 identical carbines as the one you have posted about.  They are all refinished and have a unique identifying mark applied to the left side of the receiver which crudely looks similar to a “pine tree.” 

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From my work I have determined that they were rifles purchased by the Argentine national railway system and used as guards guns.  When they were no longer of use they were subsequently collected and refinished at the Argentine national firearms (FMAP, Fabrique Militar de Armas Portailes) company at which time the pine tree stamp was applied to them.  The rifles were subsequently purchased and imported by Century Arms out of St. Albans, Vermont but I have not been able to nail down a time frame of that transaction.  Most of these rifles were manufactured during 197, 1918, and 1919  though I have also found a small group (8) of original 20 inch octagon sporting rifles from 1912 with the identical mark on them.  SRC’s cost $2.00 less than a sporting rifle so I am guessing that for a large order of rifle it was economic to choose the carbine configuration.  You can find a bit more detailed info in the summer issue of the WACA magazine where Michael Carrick documents his research as to the origin of these marked rifles on page 49.  https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202306/50/

With regard to the potential value of the gun I have documented that there are collectors who have an interest in these rifles and it is not uncommon for them to sell in the $1400 to $2000 range.  So while not everyone may put a similar value on the gun there are those who want them.  

I hope this helps.

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When they were no longer of use they were subsequently collected and refinished at the Argentine national firearms (FMAP, Fabrique Militar de Armas Portailes) company at which time the pine tree stamp was applied to them.  twobit said

Wow, if the arsenal-refinished Argentine Rolling Block I bought in the ’60s was refurbished in the same place, their standards had cratered.  The RB was so well done, it required a careful look to realize it was “too good to be true.”  This ’92 work looks like it might have been done in an Amazonian penal colony.

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Nevada Paul said

I agree with all of the above posts. The oversanding and stock fit probably bother me more than the rebluing.

Most competitors now use repros of one make or another; there are some very good ones available for far less money than originals.

  

Most competitors now use repros of one make or another 

Yeah, I know. My point was that I wanted to do something different a more unique.

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[email protected] said

Hello Everyone, I have a line on this Winchester 1892 chambered in 44-40, I know that these rifles are demanding a pretty hefty price tag these days, but this one is not in collector grade by any means. The receiver has been re-blued, the stock has been sanded or it may not even be the correct stock. The rifle dates back to 1917 based on the serial number. Bore is shinny, and the kicker is that it was imported by Century Arms. The question is, is this rifle worth the $1300.00 price tag? being a Winchester and having an importer mark, does this add or detract from the value?

Thoughts please.

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Good morning,

Can you tell me the serial number of the rifle please?  Is it the one currently listed at Cabela’s in La Vista, NE?  I would like to include it in my survey of the Model 1892 rifles which I am working on.  During this effort I have identified 72 identical carbines as the one you have posted about.  They are all refinished and have a unique identifying mark applied to the left side of the receiver which crudely looks similar to a “pine tree.” 

Merz.JPGImage Enlarger

 

From my work I have determined that they were rifles purchased by the Argentine national railway system and used as guards guns.  When they were no longer of use they were subsequently collected and refinished at the Argentine national firearms (FMAP, Fabrique Militar de Armas Portailes) company at which time the pine tree stamp was applied to them.  The rifles were subsequently purchased and imported by Century Arms out of St. Albans, Vermont but I have not been able to nail down a time frame of that transaction.  Most of these rifles were manufactured during 197, 1918, and 1919  though I have also found a small group (8) of original 20 inch octagon sporting rifles from 1912 with the identical mark on them.  SRC’s cost $2.00 less than a sporting rifle so I am guessing that for a large order of rifle it was economic to choose the carbine configuration.  You can find a bit more detailed info in the summer issue of the WACA magazine where Michael Carrick documents his research as to the origin of these marked rifles on page 49.  https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202306/50/

With regard to the potential value of the gun I have documented that there are collectors who have an interest in these rifles and it is not uncommon for them to sell in the $1400 to $2000 range.  So while not everyone may put a similar value on the gun there are those who want them.  

I hope this helps.

Michael

  

Hi Michael, here is the serial number and a photo of the left side of the receiver.IMG_4253.JPGImage EnlargerIMG_4247.jpgImage Enlarger

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