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Bert,
Regarding externally marked Nickel Steel barrels, was unsure if you had #882906 in your survey: Standard TD, 32-40, 24″ Round barrel, 1/2 mag, CB. Marked “NICKEL STEEL” on the barrel.
Chris
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1892takedown said
Bert,Regarding externally marked Nickel Steel barrels, was unsure if you had #882906 in your survey: Standard TD, 32-40, 24″ Round barrel, 1/2 mag, CB. Marked “NICKEL STEEL” on the barrel.
Chris
Chris,
I had it listed in the survey, but not the fact that it has a Nickel Steel marked barrel.
Thanks!
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Do RE-barreled guns count? There’s a NS brl on my blue-less & saddle-worn ’94, #290362. Has WP proof, so factory job?
clarence said
Do RE-barreled guns count? There’s a NS brl on my blue-less & saddle-worn ’94, #290362. Has WP proof, so factory job?
No, they do not “count”. All factory original Winchester Model 1894 (94) > 270200 had the WP proof marks stamped on them.
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Bert H. said
No, they do not “count”. All factory original Winchester Model 1894 (94) > 270200 had the WP proof marks stamped on them.
So the WP proof on the brl (without the circle-P mail-order mark) does not mean factory rebarrelled?
clarence said
Bert H. said
No, they do not “count”. All factory original Winchester Model 1894 (94) > 270200 had the WP proof marks stamped on them.
So the WP proof on the brl (without the circle-P mail-order mark) does not mean factory rebarrelled?
Correct… instead it means that it was an original factory installed barrel.
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Ok now I’m confused. I have a model 1894 s/n 352236 with Nickel Steel stamped barrel I 32-40. I suspect the barrel was changed years ago. By the way it is a full length rifle. The gun has both the receiver and barrel proof stamps. The barrel also has a circled P stamping. It is also stamped Model 94 . Does that indicate the barrel is later than the receiver that is marked Model 1894? The bore is pristine and the gun is the most accurate Model 1894 (94) I have shot. I bought this gun as a shooter not as a collectible and it was priced as a shooter.
Ok now I’m confused. I have a model 1894 s/n 352236 with Nickel Steel stamped barrel I 32-40. I suspect the barrel was changed years ago. By the way it is a full length rifle. The gun has both the receiver and barrel proof stamps. The barrel also has a circled P stamping. It is also stamped Model 94 . Does that indicate the barrel is later than the receiver that is marked Model 1894?[email protected] said
That also describes the brl on the ’94 I mentioned above (mine is .30 WCF), except mine lacks the Circle P mail-order marking, which is why I had thought it was factory installed. Yours, I would assume, was installed privately, except it’s been said that the factory sometimes used brls with the Circle P marking for factory installation! Can it get more confusing? Another point of confusion to me is the location of the Circle P marking, top or bottom. So, presumably, both brls are replacements, but where the job was done is the unresolved question.
Now, someone tell me why the mail-order mark is commonly called “Circle P” when the P is surrounded by an oval!
[email protected] said
Ok now I’m confused. I have a model 1894 s/n 352236 with Nickel Steel stamped barrel I 32-40. I suspect the barrel was changed years ago. By the way it is a full length rifle. The gun has both the receiver and barrel proof stamps. The barrel also has a circled P stamping. It is also stamped Model 94 . Does that indicate the barrel is later than the receiver that is marked Model 1894? The bore is pristine and the gun is the most accurate Model 1894 (94) I have shot. I bought this gun as a shooter not as a collectible and it was priced as a shooter.
In your case, the (P) stamped on the barrel and the “94” model marking tell us that the barrel is a much later production piece, and that it is a “mail order” barrel. The odds are very high that it has a 2-digit year number stamped on the bottom of the barrel right next to the receiver frame. If you want to know what the original “as built” configuration of your Model 1894 was, the CFM records office can provide you with a factory letter (for a fee).
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Bert, thanks for the feedback. I’m so pleased how well the rifle shoots and functions that I would not sell it for a “collectible” price. It shoot’s jacketed and cast bullets well, even rounds that are beyond the normal overall length. Not fussy what powder I use either. I think whoever installed that late nickel barrel got it right. I will pull the forearm and get the date of the barrel. It will be interesting to know when it may have been installed.
[email protected] said I will pull the forearm and get the date of the barrel. It will be interesting to know when it may have been installed.
I think it will be under the mag tube.
We all like the older collectables (including me) but I also think the 94’s in .32-40 and .38-55 are very cool.
Yes Steve, I think it is a privilege and honor to shoot, hunt and care for those old Winchesters. Oh the stories they could tell us.
clarence said
[email protected] said I will pull the forearm and get the date of the barrel. It will be interesting to know when it may have been installed.
I think it will be under the mag tube.
Actually, it is above the mag tube.
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Bert H. said
Actually, it is above the mag tube.
I meant covered up by the mag tube…as I’m sure you understood perfectly well.
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clarence said
Bert H. said
Actually, it is above the mag tube.
I meant covered up by the mag tube…as I’m sure you understood perfectly well.
You two crack me up.
~Gary~
Not mentioned here, but Winchester also put some NS bbls. on the early M52’s. I have a heavy bbl. 1931 M52 with the NS bbl. Scarce? I think so. Big Larry
Big Larry said
Not mentioned here, but Winchester also put some NS bbls. on the early M52’s. I have a heavy bbl. 1931 M52 with the NS bbl. Scarce? I think so.
NS brl listed as a 52 option in the ’29 catalog, but gone by ’33. (Maybe someone else has ’31 or ’32 that could be checked.) Like to know how much more was charged for NS, but no prices are given. (Prices printed on separate price sheet, usually lost.)
clarence said
Big Larry said
Not mentioned here, but Winchester also put some NS bbls. on the early M52’s. I have a heavy bbl. 1931 M52 with the NS bbl. Scarce? I think so.
NS brl listed as a 52 option in the ’29 catalog, but gone by ’33. (Maybe someone else has ’31 or ’32 that could be checked.) Like to know how much more was charged for NS, but no prices are given. (Prices printed on separate price sheet, usually lost.)
I think Mr. SEEWIN has a couple rifles and maybe some literature. I have never seen another rifle like mine. Big Larry
Big Larry said
I think Mr. SEEWIN has a couple rifles and maybe some literature. I have never seen another rifle like mine. Big Larry
A significant cost increase for the NS option would explain the scarcity. And the catalog doesn’t explain what the advantage of NS is supposed to be.
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