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December 20, 2014
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I believe I read somewhere that Winchester build 19000+ 1873 22s out of 700000+ all 1873s, I thought the article said they started building the 22s
in 1890.
The reason I asked is I have a friend who has a 1873 22 short takedown with s/n 160986A, being build in 1884.
Thanks , Bill
Bill,
I believe that they were first listed in the 1885 catalog, but they were available in 1884.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
December 20, 2014
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Thanks,Bert
Bill
The 22 was first prototyped in 1883 and production began later that year.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bert H. said
Bill,
I believe that they were first listed in the 1885 catalog, but they were available in 1884.
Bert
Bert,
Is there any data regarding the type of 22 offered and numbers made ?
Bill
Blueliner said
Bert,
Is there any data regarding the type of 22 offered and numbers made ?
Bill
Bill,
22 Short and 22 Long. Allegedly, they could be ordered in 22 EX Long, but I am not aware of any that were made. The majority of the .22 caliber Model 1873 rifles were made in 22 Short, but I do not know what the actual production numbers were.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
From my data I have 89.5% shorts, 10.2% longs and .003% Extra Long.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
From my data I have 89.5% shorts, 10.2% longs and .003% Extra Long.Bob
Would .003% Extra Long mean that ONLY one was ever manufactured in Extra Long? If so, I wonder where this gun is now?
I think Gordon had about 4-6 or so known that letter. Julia’s sold one a couple auctions back. I think Leroy also had one in the not so distant past. Could have been the same gun?
mrcvs said
Would .003% Extra Long mean that ONLY one was ever manufactured in Extra Long? If so, I wonder where this gun is now?
I forgot to move the decimal place when I did the math, it should be .3%. This is from what is found not using the 19,000 number thought to of been made. There are 6 of them found but one was made as a extra long in octagon and then changed to 22 long round barrel before shipping. I have 2 of them with one being a extra heavy barrel.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
I forgot to move the decimal place when I did the math, it should be .3%. This is from what is found not using the 19,000 number thought to of been made. There are 6 of them found but one was made as a extra long in octagon and then changed to 22 long round barrel before shipping. I have 2 of them with one being a extra heavy barrel.
Bob
A .22 extra long in extra heavy barrel configuration? That sounds like an extraordinary rifle. Wow. And think of how heavy that barrel must be with such a small hole running through it. If I were the original customer who ordered that rifle, it would have been fun to specify 36 inch length for that extra heavy barrel. I wouldn’t go with anything shorter than a full magazine either 😉
This is the muzzle. Interestingly the gun lettered as 11 pound rather than Extra Heavy. With Nickel trim, set trigger and German silver knife blade sight
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Bob,
What is the barrel diameter across flats at the muzzle?
I own an original Model 1885 high-wall that has a 30-inch No. 3 full octagon barrel chambered for 22 Long Rifle… it weighs in at 13.5 lbs. !! The muzzle diameter is .905″ (1.05″ at the frame ring).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
I’m away from home and will check this weekend.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bob,
I too am away from home (in Cody WY for the annual WACA show), and there is no need to rush to post the information. I was simply curious what the barrel diameter is on that old Model 1873.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bob and Bert – thank you for the posting of the photos. I’ll stick to my assessment: extraordinary. My rough impression is that these two barrels are of the same muzzle diameter. I will be interested to hear Bob’s measurement when he returns.
Envy is painful 😉
Bert,
Its 1.040″ at the breech and .988″ at the muzzle
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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1873man said
Bert,Its 1.040″ at the breech and .988″ at the muzzle
Bob
Bob,
Hmmm… that makes it nearly identical in size to a No. 3 barrel for the Model 1885 high-wall.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Same barrel blank used? It would make sense that they would use what they had on hand.
Bert,
When you get home measure yours at the 24″ mark. It might be real close. It just that yours is a 30″ it continues the taper farther. I’ve seen this with 30″, 32″ and 36″ 73’s when we did a barrel measurement survey, their muzzles have smaller diameters than standard length.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
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