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mrcvs said
Steve Wical said
I have $2600.00 in it.
Ouch!
Unless there was a shill bidder, someone else thought it to be worth $2500, assuming $100 bidding increments.
I would sell it at auction for whatever you can get for it—and move on.
You are spot on mrcvs. I have had wins for far more than my amount on this gun. Win some, loose some but over all I am WAY ahead! Tractors, mowers, tools, cars. I’m doing ok.
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Steve Wical said
Anyone seen a documented Winchester R&R liner?
No. Winchester would have simply replaced that barrel with a new item.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Winchester would replace a barrel rather than reline. A heavy liner is best liner you can do. The liner itself is strong enough to handle the pressure so you don’t have to worry about a liner fire forming to a bad drill job or lack of epoxy between the liner and barrel. When you use a thick liner you can weld the ends and you will never see the ring. I know a gunsmith that would buy used original barrels that had good rifling and turn them into liners and when he got done you could not tell it was done since the rifling was worn and matched the rest of the gun. Of course he was doing higher condition guns so the cost was justified.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
Winchester would replace a barrel rather than reline. A heavy liner is best liner you can do. The liner itself is strong enough to handle the pressure so you don’t have to worry about a liner fire forming to a bad drill job or lack of epoxy between the liner and barrel. When you use a thick liner you can weld the ends and you will never see the ring. I know a gunsmith that would buy used original barrels that had good rifling and turn them into liners and when he got done you could not tell it was done since the rifling was worn and matched the rest of the gun. Of course he was doing higher condition guns so the cost was justified.Bob
Bob – very interesting. I have never heard of a gunsmith doing that. Sounds like he made it work. Maybe that’s what happened to this one. That is by far the thickest liner I have ever seen. It just might have originally been a barrel. I can’t think of anyone who makes a liner that thick.
I wonder who did the work. I don’t think many amateurs could bore the barrel that thin, install a liner that thick and deal with the challenge of the loading and unloading mechanism. I know some pretty good machinist that might, but they are far from amateur and unless also gunsmiths’ wouldn’t have the tools to pull off the clambering and ejection process. I have used some impressive cnc systems but it still comes down to knowledge and skill in making it all work together
I will have to really check the barrel, receiver and associated fit once I pick it up.
1873man said
Winchester would replace a barrel rather than reline. A heavy liner is best liner you can do. The liner itself is strong enough to handle the pressure so you don’t have to worry about a liner fire forming to a bad drill job or lack of epoxy between the liner and barrel. When you use a thick liner you can weld the ends and you will never see the ring. I know a gunsmith that would buy used original barrels that had good rifling and turn them into liners and when he got done you could not tell it was done since the rifling was worn and matched the rest of the gun. Of course he was doing higher condition guns so the cost was justified.Bob
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Bob, you may be right about a smith using a good barrel and turning it into a liner. I have never heard of a liner you could buy that is that thick. Someone wanted to keep the original barrel but it was sloppy for shooting. Gotta go hit up some of the gunsmith boards. Thanks Bob.
1873man said I know a gunsmith that would buy used original barrels that had good rifling and turn them into liners and when he got done you could not tell it was done since the rifling was worn and matched the rest of the gun.
That’s the one way to disguise installation of a liner. Even if the “ring” at the muzzle has been hidden, a mirror bright bore is a dead give-away, except on a near-mint gun.
steve004 said Bob – very interesting. I have never heard of a gunsmith doing that. Sounds like he made it work. Maybe that’s what happened to this one. That is by far the thickest liner I have ever seen. It just might have originally been a barrel. I can’t think of anyone who makes a liner that thick.
About 50 yrs ago, before any good quality liners were available, the master single-shot gunsmith Ken Briesen made & installed two .22 liners for me using Douglas Premium brls he’d turned down. Still have both guns, a Stevens & a Ballard.
A barrel maker can make a barrel any diameter so it should not be a issue to make a small diameter barrel for use as a liner.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
November 7, 2015
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A good look at the breech may tell you more about the liner. I think you’re in a bit deep but there certainly are a growing number of collectors who will pay good money for a gun like this one, even knowing it is restored. It’s an attractive rifle and even though the cartridge is a bit hard to come by it’s no more difficult to load than other more common cartridges once you find the brass and dies.
Mike
mrcvs said
Here’s a previous listing for the same rifle, FWIW:https://www.d4guns.com/product/winchester-1894-32-40/
Thanks so much for this! At least I can see what it did look like. Wish the person I bought it from had the original wood for it.
Steve Wical said
Anyone have a source for 23-40 rounds?
Unless you reload, you’re out of luck. They haven’t even sold brass in 20 or 30 years. Hit some gun shows, you’ll find brass if you keep your eyes open.
I look for reloads too. Don’t shoot them as is. Dump out the powder and reload your own.
Steve Wical said
Anyone have a source for 23-40 rounds?
https://www.grafs.com/catalog/product/productId/75474
Quality Cartridge makes brass in limited runs grafs has some available right now I purchased a bag of 20 not long ago but haven’t had the opportunity to try it yet. I am currently using old winchester brass…hope this helps.
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