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Bert H. said
The wood has been refinished… but it is original to that rifle.
Bert
Maybe it was sanded too much. This is what the gap should look like around the area where the wood goes up against the receiver.
Bert H. said
Yes indeed, a very nice, and interesting Model 1885 First variation Schuetzen Rifle.Based on my research, it was the very first Model 1885 Schuetzen Rifle made in .22 rim fire cartridge. It was also the first of two identical rifles that shipped on the same date and order number (serial number 77512 was the other rifle). It is one of just (49) First variation Schuetzen Rifles made, as the majority of the Schuetzen Rifles were Second variations.
I cannot determine if it has been refinished, or if it is original based on the pictures you posted. Can you take the rifle outdoors (natural light) and take close-up pictures of the receiver frame, and the Winchester address marking on the barrel ?
Bert
Will this information be in the Cody letter? I just sent in the request and not real sure what I’m getting for $70.
No, that information will not be in the Factory letter. It only exists in my research notes & material.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
For what it’s worth, I got the Cody letter today. I’m not really sure what its telling me though, it would be nice to know what the repairs were.
Dmc said
For what it’s worth, I got the Cody letter today. I’m not really sure what its telling me though, it would be nice to know what the repairs were.
Best you can do is an intelligent deduction: for ex., gun built with a .22 Short brl., goes back to the factory, & now has a .22 LR brl. with all the proper factory markings. Probability is not proof, but the probability the gun was converted when it was returned is exceeding high–99.9%, I’d say!
The R&R entries seldom ever say what was done. That stated, the most common reason a .22 rim fire target rifle was returned for repair was for a new firing pin or extractor, or both. You might try removing the forend stock to see what markings are stamped on the underside of the barrel.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Dmc said
The 22 R F is the caliber, and the “3” is the frame size (high-wall). The rest of the markings are typical inspection stamps. What I was looking for was an order number corresponding to the one of the R&R order numbers, or possibly “REBARREL”. It appears that the barrel replacement was not accomplished by Winchester.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
It appears that the barrel replacement was not accomplished by Winchester.
Bert
Thought that all barrels purchased by gunsmiths & others to be fitted by them would have the “outside-fitted” mark. If so, does this mean that this particular barrel was removed from another HW outside the factory?
clarence said
Thought that all barrels purchased by gunsmiths & others to be fitted by them would have the “outside-fitted” mark. If so, does this mean that this particular barrel was removed from another HW outside the factory?
The replacement barrel on my M1885 has the letters “O.F.” stamped on the underside of the barrel which I understand to mean a barrel sold and fitted by other than Winchester. What I also find interesting is the dovetail slot on the bottom flat. Is this normal?
clarence said
Thought that all barrels purchased by gunsmiths & others to be fitted by them would have the “outside-fitted” mark. If so, does this mean that this particular barrel was removed from another HW outside the factory?
Early replacement barrels were marked “OF”, later barrels (like this one) would have the (P) marking… if they were ordered for replacement by someone other than Winchester. Absent either of those markings, or a an order number stamped on the barrel, the barrel was most likely scavenged off of a different rifle.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Dave Kenney said
The replacement barrel on my M1885 has the letters “O.F.” stamped on the underside of the barrel which I understand to mean a barrel sold and fitted by other than Winchester. What I also find interesting is the dovetail slot on the bottom flat. Is this normal?
Yes, it is normal. That empty dovetail slot is for the flat-spring tenon.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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