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Very amusing discussion to say the least. I have Winchesters with crescent butt plates and shotgun butt plates… and I like them equally because they are original to the specific gun!
Now (and to pour more diesel on the fire), I prefer a Swiss butt plate on my Winchesters…
Bert (a.k.a. Pot-Stirrer)
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Bert H. said
Now (and to pour more diesel on the fire), I prefer a Swiss butt plate on my Winchesters…
Bert (a.k.a. Pot-Stirrer)
Sometime back in this thread someone said something I agree with. I like Swiss butt plates too, but I think they only look good on the single shots. And they look even better on single shots that have a cheek piece on the stock. I don’t like them on a lever gun. Just my opinion.
Huck Riley said
Sometime back in this thread someone said something I agree with. I like Swiss butt plates too, but I think they only look good on the single shots. And they look even better on single shots that have a cheek piece on the stock. I don’t like them on a lever gun. Just my opinion.
Something like this…
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Bert H. said
Something like this…
How much shooting have you done with that gun, Bert? (Looks like it’s been someone’s “exhibition piece” since it left the factory!)
I have one with the same plate that I’ve shot a LOT, with two different barrels, actually, & I hate that plate!
Clarence, that gun might not be owned by Bert, since it has a sporting rear barrel sight. Man, it is a beauty, thought!!!!
James
jwm94 said
Clarence, that gun might not be owned by Bert, since it has a sporting rear barrel sight. Man, it is a beauty, thought!!!!
James
Correct… it is not in my collection. I do own one Model 1885 with a factory Swiss butt plate though, and I like shooting it (it is chambered for the 32 WCF). I posted the pictures as eye-candy specimens in response to Huck’s reply.
Bert
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Bert H. said
Something like this…
Exactly. I like it with the tang site up, full picture. It screams “I can reach out and touch someone!” Sweet.
Huck Riley said
Exactly. I like it with the tang site up, full picture. It screams “I can reach out and touch someone!” Sweet.
That rifle is a “Special Single Shot Rifle” with a 32-inch No. 3 barrel chambered for the 40-70 Ballard cartridge, close-couple set trigger, Mid-range vernier tang sight, and a windgauge globe front sight. I own a standard high-wall in the same cartridge and barrel configuration (it was originally purchased by W.E. Scagel), with a Long-range Graduated Peep tang sight (that letters). It is an accurate & fun cartridge to shoot.
Bert
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Here are two of mine. Both letter exactly the same including sights and are less than a 1000 apart. 38 cal
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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1873man said
Here are two of mine. Both letter exactly the same including sights and are less than a 1000 apart. 38 calBob
Interesting… were they on the same order number? The configuration is certainly very uncommon for a Model 1873.
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Bert,
Not on the same order number. One entered and shipped April 12 1889 and the other entered May 4 1889 and shipped May 6 1889
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Very odd that there were two seemingly unrelated, and uncommon configuration rifles, manufactured that close to one another… and that you were able to get your hands on both of them!
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Bert
The first one I got from a collector friend of mine and the second was 12 years later I found doing goggle searches for the 62B Folding Peep.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bob,
A semi-related question… how many Model 1873 rifles have you found with a 1/2-octagon barrel and full length magazine? Oddly enough, that configuration is not all that uncommon on the Model 1894 Rifles.
Bert
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Bert,
Out of 14,404 rifles 502 have half octagon barrels, 260 of them are half mags and 242 are full mags.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bob – an amazing pair of rifles. Tremendous. And some great data you have amassed as well.
Swiss butts are ugly and I don’t like something that is really not comfortable to shoot. Some style carried over from Mother England?
Chuck said
Swiss butts are ugly and I don’t like something that is really not comfortable to shoot.
Actually, I think inexperienced shooters ordered them because they looked “impressive,” but to deny they interfere with “normal” shooting is ridiculous. Formal Schuetzen off-hand target competition, the purpose for which they were originally designed (as practiced in German-speaking countries, inc. Switzerland) does not qualify as “normal shooting” in my book. As a collector of SS rifles, I’ve been shooting with them most of my life, but that long experience hasn’t made them less troublesome; sure, you can “make do” with them, as I have, but don’t tell me “making do” is the best option for a general purpose hunting rifle.
1873man said
Bert,Out of 14,404 rifles 502 have half octagon barrels, 260 of them are half mags and 242 are full mags.
Bob
Bob,
That is somewhat surprising to me. The Model 1873 ratio is 51.8% half-mags to 48.2% full mags. In my survey of the Model 1894, the ratio is very close to what you have found with the Model 1873, with half & 2/3 mags at 54.3% and full mags at 45.7%.
Bert
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