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This is NOT an original matted barrel Model 1892!!
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Hello from northern Michigan.

This rifle popped up on Guns International and is being sold by The Winchester Grove for $8500.  The only problem is that the gun was sold at RIA in Sept 2010 as Lot 1328 and at that time it had a 1/2 Round barrel, set triggers, a button mag and was chambered in 32 WCF.

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But now the gun has a matted full octagon barrel, full length magazine, and the caliber is 25-20 WCF.  The wood is absolutely the same and the discoloration on the receiver is identical and the screw heads on the left side of the receiver have not been turned.   

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You guys might want to put your wallet away and pass on this one.

Michael

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Don Grove just bought this gun from the August Ward’s Auction for $6,703.00 plus 15% commission.  They are both located in Dallas, Oregon.  If it were me, I’d be packing that one up and returning it.

https://wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=4039

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deerhunter said
Don Grove just bought this gun from the August Ward’s Auction for $6,703.00 plus 15% commission.  They are both located in Dallas, Oregon.  If it were me, I’d be packing that one up and returning it.

https://wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=4039  

Thanks so much!  I missed it at Wards.  It sold for $4600 at the RIA auction in 2010.

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Not a lot of meat left on the bone on that one, especially for a fraudulent gun.  I think he did do pretty well on this one though:

https://wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=4045

https://www.thewinchestergrove.com/1894/15xxx.htm

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deerhunter said
Not a lot of meat left on the bone on that one, especially for a fraudulent gun.  I think he did do pretty well on this one though:

https://wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=4045

https://www.thewinchestergrove.com/1894/15xxx.htm  

That color cased hardened 1894 sold for a low price at Wards.  I think he did very well.

Al

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That was a pretty sweet gun ten years ago, I like it just the way it was. 

 

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I gotta wonder if Don knew what He was buying, and Where is Ward’s Auction, is it different than the Ward’s auction in Alberta.

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Ward’s Auction is located in Dallas Oregon–same small town as Don Grove.  I don’t know if there is any affiliation with Ward’s in Alberta, Canada.

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I talked to Don yesterday and he had just purchased the rifle from Ward’s and has pulled the item from his website.  He does a lot of business both buying and selling via Ward’s and will be returning the rifle.

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I talked to Don yesterday and he had just purchased the rifle from Ward’s and has pulled the item from his website.  He does a lot of business both buying and selling via Ward’s…

I totally get it that gun dealers have to make a living and are a good source of fine firearms for one time buyers or novice collectors, but if this isn’t a hint where to purchase firearms at wholesale prices–provided you still do your homework and don’t get carried away–I just don’t know what is.

I know this statement might prove controversial.  But, as I get older, I’m increasingly just not a retail kind of guy when purchasing firearms.

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I talked to Don yesterday and he had just purchased the rifle from Ward’s and has pulled the item from his website.  He does a lot of business both buying and selling via Ward’s and will be returning the rifle.

Michael  

Michael,

You do all of us a great service. I’m glad you let Don know, and he pulled that gun.

Al

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