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Eagle said
I think sb is correct. This gal is way beyond just casually selling firearms once in awhile. I believe she would come under item # 3 below. I also believe it’s probably BS that she is selling these on consignment, or that the guns are from an estate. Just my opinion. Peter
Licensing Requirements (Dealer/Manufacturer/Importer/Exporter):
10. At what point should I obtain a Federal firearms license (FFL)? How do I obtain a FFL?
Federal law requires a Federal firearms license if you are engaged in the business as a firearms dealer, manufacturer or importer. A person is engaged in those businesses, as it applies to each license type, as follows:
1. Manufacturer of firearms — a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the firearms manufactured (18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(A));
2. Manufacturer of ammunition — a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured (18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(B));
3. Dealer in firearms — a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms (18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(C));
I agree with you Eagle. My guess she is thinking “part time hobby” (hence no need for FFL) when in fact it is obviously much more than that.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
deerhunter said
That’s interesting. Seems I learn something new every day on this forum. Do you know of any references/books that tell about these?
This article has a few words of wisdom on Model 1903s that made their across the pond for WW1:
Don,
If you look at the flaming bomb on the rifle in the article, it is exactly the same as those found on the Model 1894 Spruce Guns, and the Winder Muskets. The rifle on GB is apparently a fake marked specimen… go figure.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
3Dub said
This article has a few words of wisdom on Model 1903s that made their across the pond for WW1:
Thanks for posting that article–very interesting and educational. Was surprised to see the model 74 mentioned in there as well.
Don
Bert H. said
Don,
If you look at the flaming bomb on the rifle in the article, it is exactly the same as those found on the Model 1894 Spruce Guns, and the Winder Muskets. The rifle on GB is apparently a fake marked specimen… go figure.
Bert
I noticed that, too. Seems the flaming bomb is where the fakers always screw up.
Online
deerhunter said
Thanks for posting that article–very interesting and educational. Was surprised to see the model 74 mentioned in there as well.
Don
Yes, the WWII SOE 74’s are very interesting and just as rare. I am fortunate to have been able to find (and purchase) 2 of them in my lifetime. 660 were built during WWII by Parker Hale from standard Winchester 74’s. They were fitted with a sound suppressor, artillery scope and Parker Hale rings and bases. I believe the British Army surplused these to civilian sales in the 1960’s. Both of mine had to be re-imported to the US.
Alan in Sydney Australia has done some additional research on them in the UK and was kind enough to send me a copy of the archived British Army ledger page detailing the Parker Hale conversion of the 74’s (thanks again Alan).
There is/was one on display at the SOE museum in the UK and here is one of mine;
See, I have been trying to tell you guys .22 rimfires are cool! I apologize for digressing from the topic at hand.
To get back on topic, Thomas Batha’s book U.S. Martial .22RF Rifles details the martially marked Winchester 1903’s. He states the 1903 markings are like the Winder Musket markings, hand stamped and the rifles fall within the 65,000-98,000 serial number range if that helps further the discussion (and put the final nail in the coffin of the 1903 in the auction).
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
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