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Sling swivel eyes, Winchester 1894 rifle from 1918
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How commonplace are ORIGINAL sling swivel eyes from that era?  I cannot letter the firearm, as letters are not available for rifles produced in 1918.  Would this even appear on a factory letter, if available?  Any tips on what to look for (other than symmetry) to determine if factory original, or not?  I am inclined to think these are factory original, but actually like how these look without the sling swivel eyes.

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I have a 94 carbine about 10 years prior that lists sling,  and sling swivels , that I guess was a standard package add on ? I think the sling being still with the gun is rare ? Mine is gone anyway

Edit : my sling and swivels were was listed in the CODY SEARCH

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Anyone ever see a letter that details sling swivel eyes even though this one would be too late for a letter? Does anyone have photographs of factory original sling swivel eyes?

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Is there a specific measurement Winchester put there sling eyes from the Butt plate on 1894 SRC and Rifles?

 The front was on the barrel band around forearm on SRC and on forearm cap on rifles, Correct?

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Anyone ever see a letter that details sling swivel eyes even though this one would be too late for a letter? Does anyone have photographs of factory original sling swivel eyes?

  

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attached are pictures of my 1894 30 wcf with sling screws. no idea if original or not. It would be nice if they were. DonP1040137.JPGImage EnlargerP1040139.JPGImage EnlargerP1040140.JPGImage EnlargerP1040141.JPGImage EnlargerP1040142.JPGImage EnlargerP1040143.JPGImage EnlargerP1040142-1.JPGImage EnlargerP1040143-1.JPGImage EnlargerP1040144.JPGImage EnlargerP1040144-1.JPGImage Enlarger

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Don,

Based on the location (placement), I do not believe that the sling eyes on your Model 1894 are factory original.

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Bert is correct, they would have used a drill jig for the stock and all factory installed studs should be the same +- 1/8 here’s a factory lettered 86 

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Your thoughts on my 1892 sling screws, obviously need an original for front. If I remember correctly Twobit said it lettered with sling screws.P1040152.JPGImage EnlargerP1040151.JPGImage EnlargerP1040150.JPGImage Enlarger

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Your thoughts on my 1892 sling screws, obviously need an original for front. If I remember correctly Twobit said it lettered with sling screws.P1040152.JPGImage EnlargerP1040151.JPGImage EnlargerP1040150.JPGImage Enlarger

  

If you put your stick touching eyelet like my scale, I think you’ll find it within 1/8 of mine. You said it letters, that’s what counts! If you can’t find an eyelet for the band, Winchester Bob has them for $30

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86Win said
Your thoughts on my 1892 sling screws, obviously need an original for front. If I remember correctly Twobit said it lettered with sling screws.P1040152.JPGImage EnlargerP1040151.JPGImage EnlargerP1040150.JPGImage Enlarger

  

Yes it does mention Screw eyes in the ledgers.  Can you please post pics of the barrel address, upper tang, hammer, and rear sight?

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My guess is a jig was used to drill sling swivel holes, so placement would be constant.

Is this supposition correct?  If so, is such a jig extant or does anyone have jigs or other tools to ensure constancy, as used at Winchester to produce various Models of rifles?

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mrcvs said
My guess is a jig was used to drill sling swivel holes, so placement would be constant.

Is this supposition correct?  If so, is such a jig extant or does anyone have jigs or other tools to ensure constancy, as used at Winchester to produce various Models of rifles?

Use of jigs & fixtures to insure uniformity & speed up production is SOP in any industrial operation.

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Michael, as I told you previously. this is a beat in the butt old rifle fixed up for a P1040161.JPGImage EnlargerP1040160.JPGImage EnlargerP1040159.JPGImage EnlargerP1040158.JPGImage EnlargerP1040157.JPGImage EnlargerP1040156.JPGImage EnlargerP1040154.JPGImage Enlargershooter. I had to darken the barrel info so hopefully you can see it

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It appears that Winchester placed the sling eye 4-inches from the toe of the butt stock to the center of the eye on all of the various models.  I have a Single Shot rifle with the exact same measurement to the sling eye from the toe.

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Bert H. said
“Winchester placed the sling eye 4-inches from the toe of the butt stock to the center of the eye” on all of the various models. 

That’s also the “exact” measurement of the rear screw eye on my short rifle!

 

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Good deal Rick, 

I put scale on edge, mine is 4″ also, as well as 86Win

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Bert H. said
It appears that Winchester placed the sling eye 4-inches from the toe of the butt stock to the center of the eye on all of the various models.  I have a Single Shot rifle with the exact same measurement to the sling eye from the toe.

 

Without splitting too many hairs, and aside from the obvious outside “add-ons” or improvements, IMHO there will be variances within certain date ranges, possibly buttstock styles, models, or multiple jigs used, but with the overwhelming majority falling between 3 1/2+” and 4″.  Bert, I know the comment above is a general statement, but sometimes those tend to become the gospel even in light of information to the contrary, as in the 3 lettered examples above that are at variance.  

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Four inches:

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