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December 9, 2002
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Here’s a first model 1873 in the August RIA, that I find has a very interesting Cody letter showing that the early rifle was returned in 1881, and had some work done which is explained in the letter, as we very rarely see these type of descriptions in a letter showing any kind of work
I don’t know why it’s turned, as I tried to make it as small as I could.
Tony
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Here is the letter Tony. The Returned Jan 6 1881 is the date it shipped back (returned) and to New York I’m thinking its a New York distributor or dealer.
Bob
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Hi Bob, do you think Winchester would case harden a frame and lower tang after it was originally finsihed as blued? Or would they use a new reciever and lower tang?
An interesing 1873 nonetheless.
This August auction has some very unique Winchesters. Lot 1011 I really like, a deluxe 36” 1873. What a unicorn. How many 36” guns in your survey Bob?
Chris
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December 9, 2002
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1873man said
Here is the letter Tony. The Returned Jan 6 1881 is the date it shipped back (returned) and to New York I’m thinking its a New York distributor or dealer.
Bob
Bob,
Thanks for straightening out the Letter so we could read it and view the unusual, and not seen before, at least from my perspective, very detailed write up on the work that was performed, at the end of the letter, indicating what was done when returned. I’m in agreement with you as far as the New York part which is also unusual.
No mention of the sling swivels on the rifle, but this is pretty common as far as the letter goes.IMO!
Have you or anyone else ever seen a letter showing this much information, when returned?
Tony
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Tony,
That’s a great letter and model 1873, thanks for posting it. I’ve posted this before, but I have an antique model 1894 where the letter describes what changed when it was returned.
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Chris D said
Hi Bob, do you think Winchester would case harden a frame and lower tang after it was originally finsihed as blued? Or would they use a new reciever and lower tang?
An interesing 1873 nonetheless.
This August auction has some very unique Winchesters. Lot 1011 I really like, a deluxe 36” 1873. What a unicorn. How many 36” guns in your survey Bob?
Chris
They would of cased the original frame. I have seen where they changed from straight grip to pistol grip where they probably would of changed the receiver. I have 14 36″ guns now.
Anthony said
Have you or anyone else ever seen a letter showing this much information, when returned?
Tony
Yes I have seen a 86 that has a two page letter that was displayed by Winchester. It changed through its life.
Bob
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There’s an amazing amount of information on some of these letters – I’d love to see the actual ledger pages – fitting all this information on one line?!
December 9, 2002
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steve004 said
There’s an amazing amount of information on some of these letters – I’d love to see the actual ledger pages – fitting all this information on one line?!
Steve,
I’m in agreement with you on that.
Al, and Bob, I’m grateful for the posting and information regarding the letters and their extended information. Al I do remember that one now that you mentioned it.
Bob,
That’s pretty extensive for any letter, but another great reference.
Thanks for sharing the additional information.
Tony
April 15, 2005
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steve004 said
There’s an amazing amount of information on some of these letters – I’d love to see the actual ledger pages – fitting all this information on one line?!
Steve,
The added information was not actually written into the ledger record. Instead, a handwritten addendum page was added (inserted) in the ledger records. I have found at least (100) addendum pages in the Single Shot ledgers alone.
This is an example for Single Shot serial number 58620. Note that it was changed from a 40/90 St to a 32-40.
Bert
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Bert H. said
steve004 said
There’s an amazing amount of information on some of these letters – I’d love to see the actual ledger pages – fitting all this information on one line?!
Steve,
The added information was not actually written into the ledger record. Instead, a handwritten addendum page was added (inserted) in the ledger records. I have found at least (100) addendum pages in the Single Shot ledgers alone.
This is an example for Single Shot serial number 58620. Note that it was changed from a 40/90 St to a 32-40.
Bert
Thanks Bert! I had never heard of such a thing.
April 15, 2005
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steve004 said
Bert H. said
steve004 said
There’s an amazing amount of information on some of these letters – I’d love to see the actual ledger pages – fitting all this information on one line?!
Steve,
The added information was not actually written into the ledger record. Instead, a handwritten addendum page was added (inserted) in the ledger records. I have found at least (100) addendum pages in the Single Shot ledgers alone.
This is an example for Single Shot serial number 58620. Note that it was changed from a 40/90 St to a 32-40.
Bert
Thanks Bert! I had never heard of such a thing.
You are welcome.
I suspected as much, and I assumed that the vast majority of our forum regulars were also unaware… which is why I interjected with my post & pictures.
I will add that those inserted addendum pages are very infrequent. More than 99% of the entries simply list an “R&R” or “Ret & Rep” entry with a work order number.
Bert
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May 2, 2009
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I have never seen a note added to the ledger like that in the 73’s.
Bob
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December 9, 2002
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Gentlemen,
I do find this interesting, as the addendum Bert is talking about, in the 1885 S S Ledgers make some sense to me, and that Bob stated the he hasn’t seen this in the 1873 ledgers, is also an interesting point as these two fine models overlap each other and aren’t that far apart in all actuality.
Tony
April 15, 2005
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1873man said
I have never seen a note added to the ledger like that in the 73’s.
Bob
As I mentioned, it is very rare to find a ledger entry with an addendum page, but they certainly do exist.
Bert
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November 7, 2015
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Personally I would do an inquiry with CFM if I was interested in this rifle. I wonder why there isn’t a work order number. Jesi has seen bogus letters.
Mike
May 2, 2009
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I have seen the ledger entry and the letter is legit.
Bob
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Here is another 73 carbine that was a display gun for Winchester with a full page letter and the ledger entry.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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April 15, 2005
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Here is another example in the Single Shot records. Serial number 80824 has at least (50) R&R entries, requiring an addendum page to list them all.
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Bert
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December 9, 2002
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Once again I have learned some more on this great sight from the members who posted here. Sure does help to make this hobby more enjoyable.
As much as I like the 73 in this post, I don’t like the re Color Case Hardened side plates looking stronger than the gun itself. I’m a fan of the CCH look, in the proper and correct unmolested firearms, but for the kind of money and the juices on top, I can’t justify it, as I first was entertaining. In all honesty.
Tony
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