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November 8, 2011
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I would expect that this offering originated in the Sacramento area
November 9, 2008
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It’s a very nice condition 1894, but that is not the correct box, that box is marked Div. of Western Cartridge Co., that didn’t happen until 1938 and changed to Div of Olin in Dec. 1944. Pay for a nice carbine, Not the box
April 15, 2005
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I would expect that this offering originated in the Sacramento area
It certainly did originate in that locale.
For those of you who are not aware, Winchester did not use cardboard boxes pre-WW I, and they were not a “Division of the Western Cartridges Company” until the 1930s. The box and tag are fabrications created by the person who used the name “Selling Dad’s Old Guns” on Gunbroker a number of years ago.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 2, 2009
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Personally, I’m not all that impressed by the condition of the carbine either.
November 7, 2015
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win4575 said
Personally, I’m not all that impressed by the condition of the carbine either.
I’m not either. Appears to have a generous coat of oil or refinished wood, or both. Nice touch with the VA area code but I could smell the snake oil in the description.
Mike
March 25, 2015
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And …………
I’m fairly certain that a 1915 gun would be a Model 1894, not a Model 94.
June 15, 2024
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tsbccut said
And …………I’m fairly certain that a 1915 gun would be a Model 1894, not a Model 94.
Per Renneberg, the switch from “Model 1894” to “Model 94” occurred in the early 1920’s.
April 15, 2005
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Alaska94 said
tsbccut said
And …………
I’m fairly certain that a 1915 gun would be a Model 1894, not a Model 94.
Per Renneberg, the switch from “Model 1894” to “Model 94” occurred in the early 1920’s.
Per Winchester’s Change of Manufacture Notice, it began in April 1919. That were undoubtedly a fair number of pre-marked receivers that were still on hand and being used for at least 7-months after the notice was issued.
Per my research survey, the actual transition from the Type 4 to the Type 5 upper tang marking on the Model 1894/94 took place on the receiver frames that were serialized in late January 1920 (s/n 897060 is the earliest Type 5 documented this far). The transition from the Type 4 to the Type 5 UT marking was 100% complete by s/n 898500.
Type 4 upper tang marking
Type 5 upper tang marking
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November 5, 2014
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I cannot comment on the “origins” of the rifle/box under discussion, but Jacob Rothgeb (jdr284) does live in Virginia. I have never done any business with (or even met) the man, but I do know a WACA member who has met him in-person. My Friend has not purchased anything from him either but can attest to his identity/State of residence…
Not sure if jdr284 got this rifle/box from Sacramento, but he has certainly offered a number of “NIB” pre-64 Model 70s with non-original packaging on his own accord… I suspect that the “Selling Dad’s Old Guns” business model has several practitioners… 
Be careful out there,
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
August 8, 2024
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Louis, I can’t agree with you more. I would cringe when I would see the fake boxed Pre 64 Model 70s that were sold by “Selling Dad’s old guns”. I could not help feel bad for the folks that purchased them. Thinking that they are buying something special. Today, we have more information then we used to have. If you do your research, and talk to other Collectors who have been doing this for a while. This kind of thing can be avoided.
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