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Question on authenticity of some 1892's
January 10, 2020
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I recently discovered that two of my model 1892 which I bought as 'original' are lacking proof marks and I'd like to determine if Winchester sent out any of the early 1892 without proof marks. 

Both of the rifles in question have serial numbers indicating manufacture of 1905. One has a proof mark on the receiver but none on the barrel. The other has no visible proof mark on barrel or receiver. 

Both match the Cody Museum research. That is to say, the caliber, barrel and magazine are as stated in the records. They appear unaltered in any way. I can't see any evidence that the proof marks have been 'brushed' away. The finish on metal and wood all appear original, with uniform wear.

Do I have modified rifles, or is there a chance that Winchester shipped them in this time frame lacking some proof marks?

 

Any help is appreciated.

NP

January 10, 2020
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I have several '92's up to 1906 with no proof marks, twobit will be better able to tell You when they started using proofs on them and may be explain why proofed rec'vr and not he bbl.

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January 10, 2020
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Thanks!  That gives me hope that these two are genuine. They certainly appear so otherwise.

January 10, 2020
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Very close to 1905 is when the proof marks were added.  Like Henry said twobit or Bert can answer this better.

January 10, 2020
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Nevada Paul said
I recently discovered that two of my model 1892 which I bought as 'original' are lacking proof marks and I'd like to determine if Winchester sent out any of the early 1892 without proof marks. 

Both of the rifles in question have serial numbers indicating manufacture of 1905. One has a proof mark on the receiver but none on the barrel. The other has no visible proof mark on barrel or receiver. 

Both match the Cody Museum research. That is to say, the caliber, barrel and magazine are as stated in the records. They appear unaltered in any way. I can't see any evidence that the proof marks have been 'brushed' away. The finish on metal and wood all appear original, with uniform wear.

Do I have modified rifles, or is there a chance that Winchester shipped them in this time frame lacking some proof marks?

 

Any help is appreciated.

NP  

Hello,

I will be happy to help you.  Can you send me a series of photos to 2bitrifles@gmail.com  The 1892's are consistently proofed after SN 300,000 during 1905.  There are certainly earlier guns that were assembled with receivers serialized  earlier but not used to make up a fully assembled gun until later after the process of proof stamps started.

Michael

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January 10, 2020
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Thanks Michael. 

I'll certainly send photos as soon as I get back home which will be not before next weekend. 

I appreciate the feedback and help.

Paul 

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