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steve004 said
As some here know, I have a tangent interest in Ross rifles which includes their .280 Ross heel-sighted target rifles. These Ross rifles may have been used in competition against the Winchester single-shot we’ve been discussing. These three were made prior to 1910:
Do you know what yr the Wimbleton match rules were changed to allow “any sight,” meaning scopes? I assume that’s what negated the advantage of the long sight radius provided by heel sights. Using a scope allowed competitors to shoot in the steadier, & more comfortable, prone position.
Lt. Mike said
I find all of this thread very interesting, my question though is a basic one for sure. Where do I find a copy of the ledgers you fellows are discussing??? Is there an online source? If so how can I access it?
The ledger records are not accessible online. They are in possession of the Cody Firearms Museum, and used by them to create the factory letters for the older Winchesters. In order to view the records, you have to physically visit the museum.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
The ledger records are not accessible online. They are in possession of the Cody Firearms Museum, and used by them to create the factory letters for the older Winchesters. In order to view the records, you have to physically visit the museum.
In addition to what Bert said, when you order (and pay for) a, “factory letter” from the Cody Museum on a specific rifle, you can request a photo copy of the ledger page where the rifle appears. I don’t know that they will routinely honor this request, but I know of examples where the request has been honored.
clarence said
steve004 said
As some here know, I have a tangent interest in Ross rifles which includes their .280 Ross heel-sighted target rifles. These Ross rifles may have been used in competition against the Winchester single-shot we’ve been discussing. These three were made prior to 1910:Do you know what yr the Wimbleton match rules were changed to allow “any sight,” meaning scopes? I assume that’s what negated the advantage of the long sight radius provided by heel sights. Using a scope allowed competitors to shoot in the steadier, & more comfortable, prone position.
Clarence – I do not know the answer to our question. Maybe someone here knows? You sure have that right – the prone position is much more comfortable. I’ve not fired a rifle in the, “back position” but have contorted myself into that position with one of the rifles – to see how it felt. It didn’t feel very comfortable at all.
steve004 said
In addition to what Bert said, when you order (and pay for) a, “factory letter” from the Cody Museum on a specific rifle, you can request a photo copy of the ledger page where the rifle appears. I don’t know that they will routinely honor this request, but I know of examples where the request has been honored.
Darn, wish I had known that when I ordered my letters. Those are the pages I would like to have. Oh well, guess next time I’ll try a request.
U.S. Army combat vet, 32 years CCFD Lt. (retired), NRA Benefactor member, Marlin Firearms Collector Asso., Cody Firearms Museum member - 89213093, WACA member - 11928, Griffin Gun Club board member, Hunter, BPCR shooter, Hand loader, Bullet Caster
steve004 said
In addition to what Bert said, when you order (and pay for) a, “factory letter” from the Cody Museum on a specific rifle, you can request a photo copy of the ledger page where the rifle appears. I don’t know that they will routinely honor this request, but I know of examples where the request has been honored.
Steve,
That is getting harder to get in recent times. In the old days you could get a copy of the whole page. Now they my give you the line yours is on and maybe a line on each side but not always. I think they felt people were stealing the ledger books page by page
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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The one or two lines would be Okay with me, I would just like to have that as part of the documentation on my rifles. Wouldn’t want to violate any copy right laws, I’m not a thief.
U.S. Army combat vet, 32 years CCFD Lt. (retired), NRA Benefactor member, Marlin Firearms Collector Asso., Cody Firearms Museum member - 89213093, WACA member - 11928, Griffin Gun Club board member, Hunter, BPCR shooter, Hand loader, Bullet Caster
November 7, 2015
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Reading the factory ledgers is akin to an art. Bob and Bert (et al) have spent many hours studying these ledgers and Jesi is very good at what she does. I enjoy watching her analyze the ledgers and on one occasion she pulled up a ledger on a very complex entry and came up with the same interpretation as a highly regarded curator. I firmly believe that a factory letter or inquiry requested today will net the best information available today. This is why I and many other WACA members support our Cody Firearms Museum!
Mike
clarence said
Barnes has 1903 as intro of .35, 1902 for .33. Misprint?
Maynard made several 35 cal guns in the 1870′ and 1880’s. 2- 35-30’s and a 35-40. There also was a Winchester 35/30-30 wildcat but I don’t have any idea when it was made other than around the turn of the century? It is a 30 WCF case expanded for a .358″ bullet. These were made as an upgrade for the 1894 rifles. These pretty much became obsolete when Remington came out with their 35 rimless in 1908.
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