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I find myself struggling with understanding the high bidding on this one. The auction ends later today and is over $5000. This seems a decent piece in all respects except one – the alteration to the muzzle/bore. This is clearly specified by the seller – in both the description and he shows excellent photos. No attempted deception. Clearly, given the bidding, this piece is pulling strong collector interest. I would potentially pursue it for a shooter (at a shooter price) but even then, the alteration would bug me. My question is to other collectors out there – how deeply would you be affected by the alteration – both from an interest as well as bidding perspective?
I don’t think the recrown would have any effect on the value. After all, a damaged crown would definitely effect the value, both as a collectable and a shooter.
Vince
Southern Oregon
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“There is but one answer to be made to the dynamite bomb and that can best be made by the Winchester rifle.”
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I’m typically a purest in regard to Winchesters I purchase being totally original, however this condition doesn’t really bother me much in that I see it more a repair then say a barrel replacement, sleeve or re-blue. Seems like a decent 86 45-90 for the current bid price.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
I can guess someone is just going to age the chamfer so it doesn’t catch your eye and live with it.
Bob
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The chamfer would not bother me, but what if it was the end of a barrel liner? T/R
The muzzle chamfer does not bother me and the rifle is quite fine looking. I bet it will get more expensive in the next 50 minutes when the bidders get down to “business.” If I were in the market for this rifle I would be bidding.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 7, 2015
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Looks like a very nice rifle, I believe Michael is correct. I suspect this rifle will go for a bit more than the current bid.
Buf and Chu are slugging it out. 191 has entered the race. Chu has dropped out. We are inside the 10 minute rule and down to 2 players. Nice little horse race.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
And here comes Ste out of the left field stands to join in the fray!!! Hold onto your hats folks. This could get interesting! It’s a menage a trois of bidding.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 7, 2015
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Well, no doubt we’ve left shooters like me in the dust.
November 7, 2015
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Nice rifle, was thinking it would top $6K but had no idea it would go that high. Was waiting for that last second bid.
I believe the winning bidder at $7305 did well, of course the juice still needs to be added probably 15% or better.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
At least this is the type auction where the winning bidder doesn’t have to add any juice to his bid. Just shipping and it’s his. It went far higher than I could have imagined. I appreciate the responses to the question I posed. I learned I am much more of a fussy rifle snob than I had believed I was. For me, the alteration at the muzzle/bore soured the rifle considerably. Another factor I didn’t mention but it sure turned me off was the refinished and sanded (albeit it not, “heavily sanded”) buttstock. “Forgiveness” does not appear to be my middle name.
steve004 said
At least this is the type auction where the winning bidder doesn’t have to add any juice to his bid. Just shipping and it’s his. It went far higher than I could have imagined. I appreciate the responses to the question I posed. I learned I am much more of a fussy rifle snob than I had believed I was. For me, the alteration at the muzzle/bore soured the rifle considerably. Another factor I didn’t mention but it sure turned me off was the refinished and sanded (albeit it not, “heavily sanded”) buttstock. “Forgiveness” does not appear to be my middle name.
Even better for the winning bidder, I’m not familiar with this on-line seller. Even though the stock re-finish is hardly noticeable that’s a deal breaker for me as well as is the little wood sliver missing on the wrist where the right side upper tang and received meet.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
The “chamfer’ needs to be looked at a lot closer! As said it could be a re-lined barrel. Too shallow of an angle to be a normal chamfer. If truly only a recut chamfer then it will not matter to 9 out of 10 collectors. Too hard to find good guns now. Really nice ones go for near 20 to 25K on national auction sites. By the way no 15% buyers premium juice on GA auctions.
Another thing that comes into play here is the seller. He is probably the top seller on Gun Auctions and always has a bunch of very nice, clear pictures and a thorough description of his items. He has a following on the site and will command higher prices just because of who he is and his reputation. Similar to Chayns, AustinsGuns, Ironmen Arms and a few others on GB. They stay out in front of the buyers on a regular basis, have good feedback, good pictures and descriptions, and pretty much know the product. If I would have had that gun for sale, it probably would have brought $1200.00-1500.00 less. Peter
Eagle said
Another thing that comes into play here is the seller. He is probably the top seller on Gun Auctions and always has a bunch of very nice, clear pictures and a thorough description of his items. He has a following on the site and will command higher prices just because of who he is and his reputation. Similar to Chayns, AustinsGuns, Ironmen Arms and a few others on GB. They stay out in front of the buyers on a regular basis, have good feedback, good pictures and descriptions, and pretty much know the product. If I would have had that gun for sale, it probably would have brought $1200.00-1500.00 less. Peter
I’m in 100% agreement with all points you have stated.
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