Log In
July 8, 2012
Offline
I’ve seen this scratch on a few model 94 carbines and always wondered how it was made. I know it was from removing the barrel band, but what causes the gouge/scratch. The screw has to be taken out completely. How much does something like this devalue the piece.
here is a picture. It’s not my carbine but an example.
April 15, 2005
Offline
That “scratch” (or gouge) is the result of Bubba’s ignorance on how to properly remove the barrel band, and I too have seen it on many Model 1894 Carbines. Winchester did not finish polish the inside surfaces of the barrel bands, and on most of them there are rough edges surrounding the inside surface of the transverse screw hole. Those rough edges will scape against the wood if the band is pulled off without first sliding the forend stock towards the muzzle at least 6-inches (or more) before attempting to take the band off of the stock.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
September 19, 2014
Offline
Bert failed to say how much that gouge would cost at sale time. I don’t know an empirical dollar amount, but it sure would be a factor in my mind whether to even buy the carbine! I would hazard it may be a $100 gouge, but hope Bert may zero in better. Tim
April 15, 2005
Offline
tim tomlinson said
Bert failed to say how much that gouge would cost at sale time. I don’t know an empirical dollar amount, but it sure would be a factor in my mind whether to even buy the carbine! I would hazard it may be a $100 gouge, but hope Bert may zero in better. Tim
I didn’t try to put a $$$ number to it because I can’t answer that question for anyone except myself. I personally would not buy a gun with gouged up wood… regardless of the price tag on it. Who knows what else got Booger’d up by Bubba when he took the gun apart!
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
July 8, 2012
Offline
Thanks for the reply’s. Now I understand how these ugly gouges are made. Why someone who obviously doesn’t know what they’re doing would want to remove the stock and barrel band in the first place is beyond me.
April 15, 2005
Offline
tionesta1 said
Why someone who obviously doesn’t know what they’re doing would want to remove the stock and barrel band in the first place is beyond me.
Seriously ?? Bubba and all his cousins out there in the world that like to pretend they are gunsmiths (or auto mechanics) mixed with a cooler full of Billy Bob’s Black label BEER are the reason why high (original) condition guns are worth the now ridiculous premiums!
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 7, 2015
Offline
Looks to me like someone overtightened the screw and distorted the underside of the barrel band. Next Bubba didn’t realize what had happened and wrestled (or beat) the barrel band off the fore end. I’m sorry but something like that would always bother me. I like to smile when I look at my Winchesters.
Mike
April 15, 2005
Offline
TXGunNut said
Looks to me like someone overtightened the screw and distorted the underside of the barrel band. Next Bubba didn’t realize what had happened and wrestled (or beat) the barrel band off the fore end. I’m sorry but something like that would always bother me. I like to smile when I look at my Winchesters.
Mike
It is not possible to overtighten that screw and distort the barrel band. The screw head slot is way too small to allow that much torque, and the diameter of the screw shank is also too small (it would twist & shear before distorting the band). If you examine the inner surface of the barrel bands, it quickly becomes evident what the source of the gouges is.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
September 19, 2014
Offline
Bert, like you, I would seriously wonder what else is buggered up! Thus my comment. But I figured you may have some dollar amount. My guess was a true SWAG! I would most likely walk rather than buy that carbine as well. Tim
March 20, 2010
Offline
You see it quite often as others have stated, usually someone who doesnt know what they are doing (or forgot). Those bands are unforgiving on wood if you dont know what your doing.
On the carbine captioned, the reason for removal could be multiple, but the magazine tube condition versus the barrel condition would be a likely start.
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
March 31, 2009
Offline
tionesta1 said
I’ve seen this scratch on a few model 94 carbines and always wondered how it was made. I know it was from removing the barrel band, but what causes the gouge/scratch. The screw has to be taken out completely. How much does something like this devalue the piece.
here is a picture. It’s not my carbine but an example.
If it were mine I’d find the right color stain then some boiled linseed oil. This will not fix the gouge, but it will hide it some.
1 Guest(s)
