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My Model 64 “Deer Rifle” ser. #1151152, chambered for 30 W.C.F. is equipped with the bolt peep and a slot blank in the barrel.  The only other bolt peep sights I have come across were on the .219 Zipper.  I checked a period catalog and found the bolt peep could be ordered on almost any of Winchester’s lever actions.  Has anyone else come across a gun with the bolt peep and not in the .219 Zipper caliber?  My camera currently will not focus for close up pictures, so no pictures available at this time, sorry.  RDB

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Well, the slot blank is just what you’d expect if it had been ordered with the peep.  Not cutting the slot cost extra.  Wonder if credit for the value of the rear sight was applied to the extra cost of the peep?  Or maybe the blank was considered an even trade.

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My Model 64 “Deer Rifle” ser. #1151152, chambered for 30 W.C.F. is equipped with the bolt peep and a slot blank in the barrel.  The only other bolt peep sights I have come across were on the .219 Zipper.  I checked a period catalog and found the bolt peep could be ordered on almost any of Winchester’s lever actions.  Has anyone else come across a gun with the bolt peep and not in the .219 Zipper caliber?  My camera currently will not focus for close up pictures, so no pictures available at this time, sorry.  RDB  

Roger,

Not to be a smart-a$$, but Yes, I have come across hundreds of Winchester lever-actions rifles with a bolt-peep in other calibers… specifically, the Model 71 in 348 WCF, and the Model 65 in 218 Bee.  Now, it your question was how many Model 64 rifles have I encountered with a bolt-peep not in 219 Z, the answer is less than a handful.

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Thank you Bert.  It appears that I failed to make my question clear.  It was Model 64s not chambered for the .219 Zipper cartridge, Model 94s with bolt peep sights and even model 92s (of which, I know of two that weren’t .218 Bee caliber).  Forgive my lack of communication skills.  The first two pictures are from an Amsokeag Auction the third is a picture of my 92 carbine (middle gun) with the bolt peep.

 

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Thank you Bert.  It appears that I failed to make my question clear.  It was Model 64s not chambered for the .219 Zipper cartridge, Model 94s with bolt peep sights and even model 92s (of which, I know of two that weren’t .218 Bee caliber).  Forgive my lack of communication skills. RDB  

Roger,

I was mostly just pulling on your tail (so-to-speak).  I do not believe that I have seen a Model 94 with a bolt-peep sight (yet).  Same for the Model 92.

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I was able to get a somewhat decent picture of the Model 64 30 W.C.F. with the bolt peep. Anyone else come across a non 219 Zipper with a bolt peep?  Or a Model 92 or 65 not in .218 BEE with a bolt peep?  Thanks, RDB

 

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Roger,

I have documented (5) Model 64 rifles with a bolt peep sight that are not 219 Zippers, and (2) Model 65 rifles that are not 218 Bees.

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THANK YOU BERT!  I hope my rifle is in that count, just for vanity reasons. Wink  RDB

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THANK YOU BERT!  I hope my rifle is in that count, just for vanity reasons. Wink  RDB  

Yes, your Model 64 is in the count of (5).

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Thanks Bert.  You the MAN!Cool

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Could the model 64 in 219 zipper be ordered without the bolt peep 98A? Maybe a better way to ask is, did the 219 zipper come in a variation without the bolt peep?

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I don’t have a direct answer for RickC’s question, but I have come across at least 3 Model 64 219 Zippers that had the barrel sight and the bolt peep.  RDB

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I have one in each configuration. 64 dlx bolt peep and standard 64 without and receiver not drilled for receiver sight

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I have one in each configuration. 64 dlx bolt peep and standard 64 without and receiver not drilled for receiver sight

  

Thanks antler1, maybe somebody can advise or confirm the deluxe had a bolt peep and the standard didn’t. 🤷🏻

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Sorry!! I just looked at my standard 64 219 zipper and it does have a bolt peep

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RickC said

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I have one in each configuration. 64 dlx bolt peep and standard 64 without and receiver not drilled for receiver sight

  

Thanks antler1, maybe somebody can advise or confirm the deluxe had a bolt peep and the standard didn’t. 🤷🏻

  

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Go find your copy of the Winter 2022 WACA Collector magazine and read it again… pg. 22 to be specific.

The No. 98A bolt peep was standard on all 219 Zipper rifles unless ordered without it… regardless of it being a Standard or a Deer Rifle variant.

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Bert H. said

RickC said

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I have one in each configuration. 64 dlx bolt peep and standard 64 without and receiver not drilled for receiver sight

  

Thanks antler1, maybe somebody can advise or confirm the deluxe had a bolt peep and the standard didn’t. 🤷🏻

  

Rick,

Go find your copy of the Winter 2022 WACA Collector magazine and read it again… pg. 22 to be specific.

The No. 98A bolt peep was standard on all 219 Zipper rifles unless ordered without it… regardless of it being a Standard or a Deer Rifle variant.

Bert

  

That confirms it. Thanks Bert. Will read it now but I guess one that is rear sight only will not be able to be confirmed ordered without. Do you know if when ordered without, were the holes still drilled in the bolt ?

 Rick C 

   

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Currently I have (297) 219 Zipper Model 64 rifles documented in my survey.  Of that number, (198) are confirmed to have the No. 98A bolt peep sight.  In addition to the No. 98A peep sight, there were at least a few dozen equipped with a Lyman No. 56 receiver sight.

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RickC said

Bert H. said

RickC said

antler1 said

I have one in each configuration. 64 dlx bolt peep and standard 64 without and receiver not drilled for receiver sight

Thanks antler1, maybe somebody can advise or confirm the deluxe had a bolt peep and the standard didn’t. 🤷🏻

Rick,

Go find your copy of the Winter 2022 WACA Collector magazine and read it again… pg. 22 to be specific.

The No. 98A bolt peep was standard on all 219 Zipper rifles unless ordered without it… regardless of it being a Standard or a Deer Rifle variant.

Bert

That confirms it. Thanks Bert. Will read it now but I guess one that is rear sight only will not be able to be confirmed ordered without. Do you know if when ordered without, were the holes drilled in the bolt ?

Rick,

On a 219 Zipper rifle that was factory ordered for the 22-H open rear sight, Winchester omitted the milled grooves and drilled & tapped holes require to mount a No. 98A bolt peep sight.  If you find a 219 Zipper rifle that was milled & tapped for the bolt peep sight but has any other type of rear sight on it, somebody took the bolt peep sight off of it and replaced it with a different rear sight.  More often than not, the bolt peep sight was removed to mount a scope (which was later removed).

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I have a very late standard model 64 in 219 Zipper that was serialized in 1950 with a Lyman model 56 receiver sight.  I believe the underside of the barrel is marked “38” and is believed to be a parts clean-up gun.  Bert–I think you should have this one in your survey.

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