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October 16, 2023 - 1:58 pm
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Does this old model 1895 look like it has been reblued at one time or does it look like the original finish ? It looks better in the pictures but with a flashlight on it the wear doesn’t look as smooth ?Screenshot_20231016-095421.pngImage EnlargerScreenshot_20231016-095408.pngImage EnlargerScreenshot_20231016-095326.pngImage EnlargerScreenshot_20231016-095441.pngImage Enlarger

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Well as I can tell from photos, original.  However, stock looks suspicious.

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Well as I can tell from photos, original.  However, stock looks suspicious.

  

Yes it seems to be in almost to good to be true condition for a 1908 production …..

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Can you get better pictures?  I would like to see a clear close picture of the Winchester Proof mark stamp on the top of the frame ring.

The butt stock has definitely been sanded and refinished.

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blue  looks  original.the color  is  winchester.. non war  time  productions were  better finished  to begin with..

.but  has  scabbard  wear??

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Can you get better pictures?  I would like to see a clear close picture of the Winchester Proof mark stamp on the top of the frame ring.

The butt stock has definitely been sanded and refinished.

Bert

  

This is the best I can do …..IMG_20231016_235419876_HDR.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20231016_235347096_HDR.jpgImage Enlarger

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Chris,

The bluing on the barrel is factory original.  Can you post a picture of the same proof mark that is on the left side of the roll matting on the top pf the receiver frame ring?  That will provide the visual information needed to determine if the bluing on the receiver frame is original.

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Chris Sterling said

Bert H. said

Can you get better pictures?  I would like to see a clear close picture of the Winchester Proof mark stamp on the top of the frame ring.

The butt stock has definitely been sanded and refinished.

Bert

  

This is the best I can do …..IMG_20231016_235419876_HDR.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20231016_235347096_HDR.jpgImage Enlarger

  

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Chris Sterling said

Chris Sterling said

Bert H. said

Can you get better pictures?  I would like to see a clear close picture of the Winchester Proof mark stamp on the top of the frame ring.

The butt stock has definitely been sanded and refinished.

Bert

  

This is the best I can do …..IMG_20231016_235419876_HDR.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20231016_235347096_HDR.jpgImage Enlarger

  

IMG_20231017_000530843_HDR.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20231017_000455513_HDR.jpgImage Enlarger

  

Here’s a better close up of the receiver .IMG_20231017_000743791_HDR.jpgImage Enlarger

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Chris Sterling said

Chris Sterling said

Chris Sterling said

Bert H. said

Can you get better pictures?  I would like to see a clear close picture of the Winchester Proof mark stamp on the top of the frame ring.

The butt stock has definitely been sanded and refinished.

Bert

  

This is the best I can do …..IMG_20231016_235419876_HDR.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20231016_235347096_HDR.jpgImage Enlarger

  

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Here’s a better close up of the receiver .IMG_20231017_000743791_HDR.jpgImage Enlarger

  

I couldn’t get a real clear focused picture of the proof mark on top of the frame , I’ll try tomorrow when I have better light .

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Chris,

The receiver frame has not been reblued… it is definitely original.  The only flaw I can see with the rifle is the sanded and refinished wood.

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Chris,

The receiver frame has not been reblued… it is definitely original.  The only flaw I can see with the rifle is the sanded and refinished wood.

Bert

  

That’s great to hear , thank you ! Does it detract from the value a great deal where the wood has been refinished ?

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Chris Sterling said Does it detract from the value a great deal where the wood has been refinished ?
  

Whether loss in value is a “great deal” or less significant depends on the skill with which it was done, which isn’t clear from your photos.  If the sharp corners where the wood abuts the tangs & rcvr, & buttplate, have been rounded over as careless amateur refinishers generally do, this would be enough to diminish severely my own interest in the gun; but others, I know, find it less upsetting.  If the worst of it is a shiny coat of TruOil, that could be rubbed down to be less disagreeable.

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Chris Sterling said Does it detract from the value a great deal where the wood has been refinished ?

  

Whether loss in value is a “great deal” or less significant depends on the skill with which it was done, which isn’t clear from your photos.  If the sharp corners where the wood abuts the tangs & rcvr, & buttplate, have been rounded over as careless amateur refinishers generally do, this would be enough to diminish severely my own interest in the gun; but others, I know, find it less upsetting.  If the worst of it is a shiny coat of TruOil, that could be rubbed down to be less disagreeable.

  

It also depends on the condition of the rest of the rifle.  It would be a much greater loss in value if the rest of the gun was high condition and had a refinished wood, vs yours, much lesser condition and refinished wood.

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Chris Sterling said Does it detract from the value a great deal where the wood has been refinished ?

  

Whether loss in value is a “great deal” or less significant depends on the skill with which it was done, which isn’t clear from your photos.  If the sharp corners where the wood abuts the tangs & rcvr, & buttplate, have been rounded over as careless amateur refinishers generally do, this would be enough to diminish severely my own interest in the gun; but others, I know, find it less upsetting.  If the worst of it is a shiny coat of TruOil, that could be rubbed down to be less disagreeable.

  

It also depends on the condition of the rest of the rifle.  It would be a much greater loss in value if the rest of the gun was high condition and had a refinished wood, vs yours, much lesser condition and refinished wood.

  

Okay thanks , it doesn’t appear to have been sanded much if at all , the metal to wood looks to have a smooth transition , I have an older 94 in 38 55 and it has seen many refinishing jobs to the wood or one really bad one , the metal is much higher than the wood but it’s still nice dark walnut in nice shape so I think I’ll leave it alone as opposed to trying to find an old stock that fits better .

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Wood should be proud to metal at both upper and lower tang, as well as the butt plate

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mrcvs said  It would be a much greater loss in value if the rest of the gun was high condition and had a refinished wood, vs yours, much lesser condition and refinished wood.
  

I LIKE overall metal on this gun, wouldn’t want it better if I was serious about shooting it.  I’d have to do something about the “shine” on the stock, though, rubbing it down with steel wool, pumice, etc.  The chambering isn’t exactly an asset, however.

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mrcvs said  It would be a much greater loss in value if the rest of the gun was high condition and had a refinished wood, vs yours, much lesser condition and refinished wood.

  

I LIKE overall metal on this gun, wouldn’t want it better if I was serious about shooting it.  I’d have to do something about the “shine” on the stock, though, rubbing it down with steel wool, pumice, etc.  The chambering isn’t exactly an asset, however.

  

No that’s for sure , ammo is hard to come by but I have some brass and bullets and the gun is shoots nice tight groups and yes the condition is perfect for using it to hunt with . From everything I’ve seen the 35 WCF seems to be more scarce and desirable ,  is that not the case ?

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Chris Sterling said

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The receiver frame has not been reblued… it is definitely original.  The only flaw I can see with the rifle is the sanded and refinished wood.

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That’s great to hear , thank you ! Does it detract from the value a great deal where the wood has been refinished ?

It does detract from the value, but exactly how much depends on the individual buyer, and skill level of the person who refinished it.

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Chris Sterling said

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mrcvs said  It would be a much greater loss in value if the rest of the gun was high condition and had a refinished wood, vs yours, much lesser condition and refinished wood.

  

I LIKE overall metal on this gun, wouldn’t want it better if I was serious about shooting it.  I’d have to do something about the “shine” on the stock, though, rubbing it down with steel wool, pumice, etc.  The chambering isn’t exactly an asset, however.

  

No that’s for sure , ammo is hard to come by but I have some brass and bullets and the gun is shoots nice tight groups and yes the condition is perfect for using it to hunt with . From everything I’ve seen the 35 WCF seems to be more scarce and desirable ,  is that not the case ?

  

I haven’t found 95s in 35wcf to be hard to find. The only tough ones to find are the 38 72 and the 40 72. The rest are pretty common.

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