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Non Original Model 1892
December 25, 2017
12:53 pm
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Just a quick note before opening presents.  This rifle was originally built as a 38 WCF OB.  The barrel address is not correct.  http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1892/winchester-1892-pre-64-lever-action-44-w-c-f-quot-absolutely-gorgeous-rifle-quot-outstanding-.cfm?gun_id=100960869

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Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

December 25, 2017
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There are lots of red flags on that one. I would venture to state it has also been reblued. I believe the buttplate is off of an 1890. Even tho the butt plates are the same they are not. The 1890's seem to be about 1/16" longer on the toe. The pic of the butt plate reveals the toe extending beyond the wood. The wood condition does not come close to matching the metal condition. The barrel address seems to be canted also, kind of tipping downhill on one side. This is just what I observed at a glance.......

 

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December 25, 2017
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The wood looks refinished to me.  Undersized at the tang, a porous (sanded) looking wood grain, and many bumps and bruises that are glossed over.  I'd be willing to bet the case colors have been re-cased as well.

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December 26, 2017
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Gotta agree with the observations here.  I'd go a step further than Erin and say the barrel is a modern made reproduction.  Would be interesting to see what marking are on the underside of this barrel.  Lettering on tang looks correct but compare it to the barrel.  There are machine marks on the tang screw and the rest of the screws are in such impeccable condition that one must suspect they've all been replaced.  The wood has been poorly refinished and the receiver professionally redone.  There's a 1901 elevator on an 1895 gun.  The forend cap doesn't fit properly on the right side. 

On the other hand, the lever looks right.

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Wincacher said
Gotta agree with the observations here.  I'd go a step further than Erin and say the barrel is a modern made reproduction.  Would be interesting to see what marking are on the underside of this barrel.  Lettering on tang looks correct but compare it to the barrel.  There are machine marks on the tang screw and the rest of the screws are in such impeccable condition that one must suspect they've all been replaced.  The wood has been poorly refinished and the receiver professionally redone.  There's a 1901 elevator on an 1895 gun.  The forend cap doesn't fit properly on the right side. 

On the other hand, the lever looks right.  

I totally agree with the barrel observation and can pretty much guaranty it is a reproduction... and done wrong.

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