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Nice 1957 M94 $4,800 Wow
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/970189271

This is very nice gun I’m sure but seemingly not hard to find. 

$4,800 seems like about 3 times more than it’s worth. 

But please fill me in if that is wrong by me. 

Thanks. 

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I’m not nearly as knowledgeable as many members here. I agree, about 3 times what it’s worth. 

Interested to see what members with a keener eye than mine for originality have to say about it. 

 

Meanwhile I’m going to check my Blue Book for value on a top condition specimen is. I’m sure it won’t be as high as it sold for. I guess sometimes people are willing to pay a lot more for something if they really want it. 

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Joseph Barrett said I guess sometimes people are willing to pay a lot more for something if they really want it. 
  

Or if they’re rich know-nothings.  GB is their playground.  Probably never seen the inside of a gun-show.

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Seems like some funny business going on with the bidding if you ask me.  No way it’s worth that kind of money.

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clarence said

Joseph Barrett said I guess sometimes people are willing to pay a lot more for something if they really want it. 

  

Or if they’re rich know-nothings.  GB is their playground.  Probably never seen the inside of a gun-show.

  

Also true. 

 

I checked my 2022 Blue Book. In 100% condition it rates at $1100. 

 

Which raised another question I my mind. I realize Blue Book is only one piece of information and may or may not reflect current markets. I would like to think it focuses more on the steady collector values than the fickle ups and downs of the market we have seen lately, particularly the ups…(Marlin-itis) My question is, how do collectors view Blue Book values on old Winchesters? 

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Joseph Barrett said

clarence said

Joseph Barrett said I guess sometimes people are willing to pay a lot more for something if they really want it. 

  

Or if they’re rich know-nothings.  GB is their playground.  Probably never seen the inside of a gun-show.

  

Also true. 

 

I checked my 2022 Blue Book. In 100% condition it rates at $1100. 

 

Which raised another question I my mind. I realize Blue Book is only one piece of information and may or may not reflect current markets. I would like to think it focuses more on the steady collector values than the fickle ups and downs of the market we have seen lately, particularly the ups…(Marlin-itis) My question is, how do collectors view Blue Book values on old Winchesters? 

  

I only use Bert’s last edition. It’s an excellent source for values and prices and still current imo.

Nothing wrong stood out to me about this gun other than the selling price. I would have to want it some bad to pony up more than $2k for a post war carbine. Like Clarence said GB can be a playground for the rich. $4800 and the taxes & credit card fees. ??‍♂️

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 I think we are seeing a big difference in selling prices based on marketing. RIA, GB, and other large market sellers provide easy point and click sales. This is the playground for collectors. The over retail buyer is pushing prices. T/R 

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Gunbroker’s list of finished sales on Winchester Model 94’s shows many examples of plain jane carbines selling for over $3500. So it is not a fluke. The subject gun had 64 bids mostly by + rated bidders. So not shill bidding. I sense a bit of disgust and even anger among some members that the prices on GB have escalated to such a high level. The solution is to join them. Sell your plain 94 carbine for a bundle of $’s and then buy an nicer older pre-war 1894 that the rich buyers have not yet discovered. 

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tionesta1 said
Seems like some funny business going on with the bidding if you ask me.  No way it’s worth that kind of money.

  

I can understand a case of auction fever now and then but there’s nothing about this offering that would inspire that kind of behavior, IMHO. I suspect you’re right, Al. I sold a 95% gun, same model and vintage, for well under $1000 last year. 

 

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Gunbroker’s list of finished sales on Winchester Model 94’s shows many examples of plain jane carbines selling for over $3500. So it is not a fluke. The subject gun had 64 bids mostly by + rated bidders. So not shill bidding. I sense a bit of disgust and even anger among some members that the prices on GB have escalated to such a high level. The solution is to join them. Sell your plain 94 carbine for a bundle of $’s and then buy an nicer older pre-war 1894 that the rich buyers have not yet discovered. 

  

I totally agree with that with the prices they’re all getting. Seller not a buyer!

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 I think we are seeing a big difference in selling prices based on marketing. RIA, GB, and other large market sellers provide easy point and click sales. This is the playground for collectors. The over retail buyer is pushing prices. T/R 

  

True enough about the seduction of “point and click,” & such a result at RIA might not be too astonishing, considering their typical hype & hoopla, & the utterly misplaced trust many place in their (often false) assessments, but it’s surprising that GB can achieve similar results.

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 I think we are seeing a big difference in selling prices based on marketing. RIA, GB, and other large market sellers provide easy point and click sales. This is the playground for collectors. The over retail buyer is pushing prices. T/R  

True enough about the seduction of “point and click,” & such a result at RIA might not be too astonishing, considering their typical hype & hoopla, & the utterly misplaced trust many place in their (often false) assessments, but it’s surprising that GB can achieve similar results.  

Gunbroker offers convenience, but at a price!    You want a particular firearm in short order, there it is!  No searching gun shows, gun shops, or even waiting for a live auction.  Also, the audience is far greater than even something like RIA.

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My first choice if I was a seller!

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mrcvs said  No searching gun shows, gun shops, or even waiting for a live auction. 

If these GB bidders had enjoyed the great learning experience provided by gun shows, which means not only looking at a wide variety of different guns, but talking with dealers & other collectors, or even the knowledge gained from such a forum as this, the appeal of “instant gratification” wouldn’t be so powerful, I don’t believe.  The Blue Book?  How many of them have ever consulted it?  Their firearms library?  Google. 

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mrcvs said  No searching gun shows, gun shops, or even waiting for a live auction. 

If these GB bidders had enjoyed the great learning experience provided by gun shows, which means not only looking at a wide variety of different guns, but talking with dealers & other collectors, or even the knowledge gained from such a forum as this, the appeal of “instant gratification” wouldn’t be so powerful, I don’t believe.  The Blue Book?  How many of them have ever consulted it?  Their firearms library?  Google. 

  

That is precisely why I chose to become a member here. Watching BIN and actual final sales on GB auctions skyrocket in recent years made me want to learn more so at the very least I can be a more informed buyer when I’m looking at an old classic. I’ve already learned a lot in the short time since joining. This forum and it’s members are a great asset and it is very much appreciated how freely knowledge is shared. 

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Here is an interesting one. I wonder what you gents think of it. 

My completely untrained eye would call that a 50-60% rifle if in fact the finish is all original. 

 

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/971188424

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Here is an interesting one. I wonder what you gents think of it. 

My completely untrained eye would call that a 50-60% rifle if in fact the finish is all original. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/971188424  

Absolutely original, & far more desirable than the 5 G example, to anyone with an appreciation of history, that is.  Worst criticism I’d make is that someone messed with the screws, but maybe some problem made that necessary.  For a gun of this age, it could be a lot worse, remembering that a carbine was a utility gun.  I would prefer a gun in this condition, showing honest wear, but no abuse, which could be handled & shot without wearing kid gloves.   What will the fat-cat who bought the ’94 DO with it, except make a safe-queen out of it? 

Though it won’t appeal to those who lost their minds over the ’94, the first year of production status will draw a lot of attention.  Being only a pre-’99 antique adds considerable value.

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Wouldn’t waste my money on either one.

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Joseph Barrett said
Here is an interesting one. I wonder what you gents think of it. 

My completely untrained eye would call that a 50-60% rifle if in fact the finish is all original. 

 

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/971188424

  

I like pieces in condition like this one.  My largest complaint about this one is the missing upper tang wood.  I could live with the screws having see some less than careful use.  

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Joseph Barrett said

Here is an interesting one. I wonder what you gents think of it. 

My completely untrained eye would call that a 50-60% rifle if in fact the finish is all original. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/971188424  

Absolutely original, & far more desirable than the 5 G example, to anyone with an appreciation of history, that is.  Worst criticism I’d make is that someone messed with the screws, but maybe some problem made that necessary.  For a gun of this age, it could be a lot worse, remembering that a carbine was a utility gun.  I would prefer a gun in this condition, showing honest wear, but no abuse, which could be handled & shot without wearing kid gloves.   What will the fat-cat who bought the ’94 DO with it, except make a safe-queen out of it? 

Though it won’t appeal to those who lost their minds over the ’94, the first year of production status will draw a lot of attention.  Being only a pre-’99 antique adds considerable value.

  

Copy that Clarence! My kind of gun with honest wear. And 1st year. Guaranteed to go for more than I can afford. 

 RickC 

   

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