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November 18, 2022 - 9:08 pm
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Hello everybody! My name is Stefano and i write frome Italy. I received today a fantastic 1873 from a friend that lost hos husband (rifle lover). It is a 1873 model i suppose with a lot of customizations. Unfortunately she didn’t know anything on this rifle. Inhave checked the serial number and is the same of a 1895 model but weeks ago a kind member of this group told me that the original was in a USA auction and now it is in a museum. I am trying to understand the fair value of this fantastic rifle. Sorry for my photos but my wife was nervous near the rifle ehehehBBB2FA39-249E-4B6A-915F-1EF0690884E2.jpegImage Enlarger52298E8B-67F2-4579-957F-6C6239F281D7.jpegImage EnlargerD556B817-D93B-4194-8CA1-43B12A4CD39E.jpegImage Enlarger

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November 18, 2022 - 10:26 pm
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Its a copy of a gun that was on display but I don’t think it was a museum. Your gun was on Gun Broker  a while back as I remember. Tonight I’ll check it out.

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Hello Bob! I have lost your email address! Thank You for the help, now finally i have it! It seems really cool, the lever is with damask finish and the scene of buffalo hunting seems handmaded not laser. I am not an expert but also the wood transmits high quality 

thank you again!

 

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November 19, 2022 - 12:59 am
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That gun was sold on Gun Broker around March of 21. It is the same configuration as the one that was Buffalo Bill Cody’s but yours does not have the same engraving as Buffalo Bill’s. There is a copy of a 1959 article from Guns Magazine in the Winchester Collector magazine Summer of 1992 page 26 about the buffalo Bill’s ranch house which was turned into a museum.

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Thank You Bob i found that page! Cool model! So mine it isn’t a commemorative Winchester as i understand but it is a copy of that model (also the serial number is the same) with the same precious finishes. The only thing in think it is impossible to do is to recover a Winchester official letter for this rifle as i don’t see any more serial numbers or codes that can identify the year of this rifle and who made it or something similar. But i can consider myself lucky the model is interesting, isn’t it?

 

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Its someones fantasy gun they had made up to look like the original but they didn’t copy it exactly. You can get a letter but its a letter for the original. its basically a forgery of the original since they used another guns serial number. 

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Thank You Bob! 

i am studing it when i am alone at home and i am really in love with it. Feels quality in every way, really fashinating!

 

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Stefano,

 

In one of your photos, you show the rifle laying on a cardboard box.  Is that the box that this rifle came in?

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Hello! No, my friend found it in that box but it is not the original box. Imagine that i begun to search info about a 1873 uberti for that box but when i got in contact with the factory they told me that with that serial number there were no rifles of Uberti. I was in doubt but the barrel is marked as Winchester original, i send you a detail below73E4513F-0D7D-4AE2-915B-0655A24C4DE1.jpegImage Enlarger

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Stefano Cazzulini said
Hello! No, my friend found it in that box but it is not the original box. Imagine that i begun to search info about a 1873 uberti for that box but when i got in contact with the factory they told me that with that serial number there were no rifles of Uberti. I was in doubt but the barrel is marked as Winchester original, i send you a detail below73E4513F-0D7D-4AE2-915B-0655A24C4DE1.jpegImage Enlarger

  

 I don’t think Winchester in the the day made the die that marked your barrel. The 29 should have a period after and many letters are miss aligned. The hardest thing to fake is the dies! The easiest way to prove a fake is to compare all die makings with an original gun in the same serial number range.

 A clone is built to look like the original gun, but when you apply the same serial number as the original you have a fake. T/R 

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Gosh what a bad news! So maybe can be a copy made from other factory? Also uberti at this point? I eonder if this man asked precisely to have a copy of that determined rifle and they did it? Seem strange to me that nobody marked the name pr a code of the factory

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Its was not made by any other manufacture. It probably has some Winchester parts like the receiver with a restamped serial number. The barrel, wood and mag tube are going to be new. Its worth at minimum what a restoration of that quality goes for. You can’t get in trouble if its sold just as long you disclose what it is.

I rolled the image of the barrel address so you can see it better.

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November 20, 2022 - 5:54 am
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Thank You Bob! Yes even if i am not expert i imagine that this precious wood, the gold plated engraves and the damask lever have itselfs a good value. My idea, slowly and trying to get a fair value, is to sell it in order to buy a real Winchester usable to try the feelings of this fantastic rifle. This one as i don’t know the history i don’t want to try it i feel not safe. But surely i will be clear in the selling and i will tell all Your precious notes to avoid problems and in order to be honest.

what Winchester gun (i would say modern gun) do You suggest me to try when i will be ready to buy it?

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I would pull the stock off and look for any marks from a rebuilder but if it was restored in recent history it would of cost a guy around 10k. If it was restored properly it would be safe to shoot . By the way the lever is a standard lever that has been case colored.

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Thank You Bob! I will try to follow your tip as soon as my baby goes to sleep, i am curious to see if i find any clues about the rebuilder. I am happy to see the value of the work done on this rifle, even if is not a true Winchester. I will update U!

 

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Hello Bob and hello all guys! I have discovered a piece more. Under the lever there is an inscription J. Ulrich and i saw that is an engraver of Winchester models. Could be a step more to understand something about year and history of this gun? Now i proceed as suggested, meanwhile i send the best photo of the engraver but is not focused

 

no sorry too heavy here

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This what it should look like.

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Can you post a clear picture of the stamp?

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