November 14, 2026
OfflineI just added an original, unmolested 1873 Sporting Rifle to my small collection yesterday. A deceased estate piece, of one about 200 stored in a crate since 2002.
Serial number 433,646B. 38-40, octagonal, half magazine.
It cycles inert dummy rounds like silk.
Was wondering about the under-barrel/receiver front markings.
November 14, 2026
OfflineNovember 14, 2026
OfflineDermot said
Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
I added 5 photos but that didn’t work. My first post and trying to work the forum out.




Dermot said
Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
I added 5 photos but that didn’t work. My first post and trying to work the forum out.
Uploaded the same 5 photos again but the upload stopped for ages at 75%. Hopefully this works…
November 14, 2026
OfflineDermot said
Dermot said
Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
I added 5 photos but that didn’t work. My first post and trying to work the forum out.
Dermot said
Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
I added 5 photos but that didn’t work. My first post and trying to work the forum out.
Uploaded the same 5 photos again but the upload stopped for ages at 75%. Hopefully this works…
I have:
1873 built 1892, 38-40
1886 built 1887, 40-65, with a Cody letter
1892 built 1900, 44-40
December 9, 2002
OfflineDermot,
Bob, (1873man), is our resident expert on the model 1873, and has much knowledge on these as his ongoing survey, picked up and continued from his good friend, Author/researcher, James Gordon, (Winchester Books Vol l $ ll ), and will be along to help out with anything we miss, as I’m thinking he might be at the current Tulsa show, along with a few other members, but his evening might find him checking in here and adding to this, or make some corrections.He can also check to see if it’s in his survey and if it is the same configuration, as it looks to be all correct, as it left the factory. Bob’s knowledge and information is second to none. IMO!
I’ll try to add what he’s taught me, on another thread for one of mine. Good job on the pictures, as it takes a bit for some of us but you did a nice job of showing us what is needed. Always the more, you add, the better it is for us.
You’re third model 1873, mfg. in 1892, in 38-40, as you stated, with half magazine, looks all original. As you know the 38-40, caliber is the .38 WCF, and probably stamped so.
In Gordon’s book he explains and talks about the barrel under stamps as it’s pretty well broken down, but with the different inspectors back in the day and varying marks, sometimes we can try to over diagnose or expect more explanation, as these inspectors marks or stamps can vary.
Here’s what Bob had said about my third model 73 src, that I had asked about, as his explanation is very good and it helped me out. IMO!
Bob, (1873man), Said,
Tony,
Those are Inspection or tests the barrel went through. The first 73’s had “CCC” then it went to”+++” for a short time at the end of the first models and then it was “123” for the rest of production. You will find barrels without them.
My 73 src, had the standard, “123′, as Bob explained and is in Gordon’s book. Your 1873 rifle, has the “punch dot”, in front of the “2”, instead of the, “1”, in, “123” !
Bob
So getting back to you’re 73 rifle, in Gordon’s book, he explains each barrel was subject to a three part test, as the first mark, the punch dot, is a test, as is the, “2”, as is the, “3”. Not sure what the “A.E”, is, but I assume it’s an inspectors mark, as maybe his initials of his name, identifying him,(as some inspectors did), as I don’t see anything like that, in Gordon’s book, (but there is other initial letters in his book, just not yours). Maybe Bob can help identify those letters, and add more, or correct me. The upside down “VP”, in the circle is another barrel test, meaning violent proof, on the strength of the barrel. The “p”, on the front of the receiver is another test proof stamp, but for the receiver.
Tony
March 20, 2009
OfflineDermot,
I am working on a research survey of the Model 1892 and would love to add yours into my work. Can I please get the serial number and some additional images of it. My email is [email protected]
Michael

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
March 31, 2009
OfflineDermot said
Dermot said
Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
I added 5 photos but that didn’t work. My first post and trying to work the forum out.
Dermot said
Bert H. said
It would help if you posted pictures of the markings in question.
Bert
I added 5 photos but that didn’t work. My first post and trying to work the forum out.
Uploaded the same 5 photos again but the upload stopped for ages at 75%. Hopefully this works…
The reason the upload was so slow was because your file size is large. Either split them into 2 sets or stay around 2 mb per picture. I’m surprised that 16 mb loaded at all.
March 20, 2009
OfflineChuck said
The reason the upload was so slow was because your file size is large. Either split them into 2 sets or stay around 2 mb per picture. I’m surprised that 16 mb loaded at all.
It shows that the images are in the 2 to 6 MB per each.


Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 14, 2026
Offlinetwobit said
Dermot,
I am working on a research survey of the Model 1892 and would love to add yours into my work. Can I please get the serial number and some additional images of it. My email is [email protected]
Michael
Absolutely, will do Michael
November 14, 2026
OfflineAnthony #5411 said
Dermot,
Bob, (1873man), is our resident expert on the model 1873, and has much knowledge on these as his ongoing survey, picked up and continued from his good friend, Author/researcher, James Gordon, (Winchester Books Vol l $ ll ), and will be along to help out with anything we miss, as I’m thinking he might be at the current Tulsa show, along with a few other members, but his evening might find him checking in here and adding to this, or make some corrections.He can also check to see if it’s in his survey and if it is the same configuration, as it looks to be all correct, as it left the factory. Bob’s knowledge and information is second to none. IMO!
I’ll try to add what he’s taught me, on another thread for one of mine. Good job on the pictures, as it takes a bit for some of us but you did a nice job of showing us what is needed. Always the more, you add, the better it is for us.
You’re third model 1873, mfg. in 1892, in 38-40, as you stated, with half magazine, looks all original. As you know the 38-40, caliber is the .38 WCF, and probably stamped so.
In Gordon’s book he explains and talks about the barrel under stamps as it’s pretty well broken down, but with the different inspectors back in the day and varying marks, sometimes we can try to over diagnose or expect more explanation, as these inspectors marks or stamps can vary.
Here’s what Bob had said about my third model 73 src, that I had asked about, as his explanation is very good and it helped me out. IMO!
Bob, (1873man), Said,
Tony,
Those are Inspection or tests the barrel went through. The first 73’s had “CCC” then it went to”+++” for a short time at the end of the first models and then it was “123” for the rest of production. You will find barrels without them.
My 73 src, had the standard, “123′, as Bob explained and is in Gordon’s book. Your 1873 rifle, has the “punch dot”, in front of the “2”, instead of the, “1”, in, “123” !
Bob
So getting back to you’re 73 rifle, in Gordon’s book, he explains each barrel was subject to a three part test, as the first mark, the punch dot, is a test, as is the, “2”, as is the, “3”. Not sure what the “A.E”, is, but I assume it’s an inspectors mark, as maybe his initials of his name, identifying him,(as some inspectors did), as I don’t see anything like that, in Gordon’s book, (but there is other initial letters in his book, just not yours). Maybe Bob can help identify those letters, and add more, or correct me. The upside down “VP”, in the circle is another barrel test, meaning violent proof, on the strength of the barrel. The “p”, on the front of the receiver is another test proof stamp, but for the receiver.
Tony
Yes, Bob is fantastic . I have been in communication prior to joining with him and also Michael Puzio (1892 guru)
November 14, 2026
Offlinetwobit said
Dermot,
I am working on a research survey of the Model 1892 and would love to add yours into my work. Can I please get the serial number and some additional images of it. My email is [email protected]
Michael
Shared a bunch via Dropbox. S/N 151, 147, October 1900
May 2, 2009
OfflineLooking under barrels is a little invasive since it’s easy to scratch the finish and disturb the grime that seals the mag tube to the rest of the gun which makes a gun that has never been messed with look to one that has so I don’t like to do it. Trying to figure out what the A.E. means is not going to be easy unless you find more occurrences of it or if its found in other models but to me with the periods after the letters it is probably initials of someone. The stamp looks to be a single stamp not individual stamps and the periods are square which is seen in early stamps.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's

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