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Question for Bert, while I checking through my 94s. I was wondering if the serial number is known when the Model 94 style was changed from the model 55 style serrated butt-plate/ Upper tang with logo marking to the Post war blank tang with flat checked butt-plate, front Flat band type? It must be in the high 1300000 range for I have #1340492 1942 in the prewar/war time style and #1380733 and #1397883 in the newer flat band postwar style both 1946. all three are standard 30WCF.
Are there any known Model 94s out there with combinations of both Pre war and post war styles?
Thanks Dan
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Dan,
There were a number of changes that took place over a relatively short serial number range, but over several years.
1. In June of 1942 (near serial number 1338600), the upper tang sight screw hole was eliminated, but the Type-7 tang marking was still used.
2. On August 23rd, 1942 (serial number 1343183), production of the Model 94 was temporarily halted to support WW II efforts. Serrated (M-55) butt plates were still in use.
3. On September 24th, 1945, production of the Model 94 was resumed, but the upper tang was no longer marked (at or near serial number 1343200), serrated butt plates still in use.
4. At approximately serial number 1349280 (very early in 1946), the flat checkered steel butt plate first appeared, but it was highly intermixed with the serrated steel butt plate until serial numbers reached 1358250 (late January 1946).
5. The Flat-band made its appearance at or near serial number 1370500, and was intermixed with rounded band until serial numbers reached 1375550. Flat-band Carbines were made from approximately April 1946 – December 1948.
6. Mid-way through the Flat-band production (1947), the knurled hammer was changed to the serrated hammer, and several months later (still in 1947), the shape of the receiver frame at the transition to the upper tang was changed. I refer to that change as a “Type-3” receiver frame.
7. In late 1948 (December), the flat barrel band was dropped, and the rounded band was re-instated.
8. In early 1950, all of the caliber markings were changed, e.g. “30 W.C.F.” became “30-30 WIN.”, “32 W.S.” became “32 WIN. SPL.”, and “25-35 W.C.F.” became “25-35 WIN.”
Overall, there more production changes made to the Model 94 in the 1936 – 1950 timeframe than during the entire preceding 42-years.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thank you for the great information Bert. I’m always intrigued by multiple variations found in the Model 94. Any idea how close to the 1942 Wartime production halt my #1340492 may have been?
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sgtsemo said
Thank you for the great information Bert. I’m always intrigued by multiple variations found in the Model 94. Any idea how close to the 1942 Wartime production halt my #1340492 may have been?
Dan,
July 3rd, 1942. It should have the Type-7 tang marking, but not drilled & tapped for a tang sight… please confirm that.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, #1340492 does have the Type 7 tang marking but was drilled and tapped for a tang sight. strangely enough #1380733 the flat band is also drilled and tapped and has a period Lyman tang peep sight (1ada) attached. I thinking maybe not original but I found it within twenty miles of the factory, who knows
Hmmm… the July 1942 Carbine being drilled & tapped is not a big surprise, as I have seen a few others in that serial range, but the Flat-band being drilled & tapped is very odd.
Thanks,
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
1st two are the July 42 M94. The last two are the 1946 flatband 
sgtsemo said
What are the calibers of these carbines? Thanks, Big Larry
close up of the Flat band Lyman sight, As I said probably not original.
sgtsemo said
close up of the Flat band Lyman sight, As I said probably not original.
Take the tang sight off and inspect the upper hole. Most people can not drill & tap the hole as cleanly as Winchester did.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
sgtsemo said
close up of the Flat band Lyman sight, As I said probably not original.
Big Larry said
sgtsemo said
What are the calibers of these carbines? Thanks, Big Larry
Big Larry, in the bottom shot the one im holding is 1380733 1946 in 30WCF , next up is 1340492 1942 in 30WCF and the other one at top on bench is the “w” marked 1242437 1940 in 32 W.S. Still looking for a 25-35WCF 94 to come along.
I have an early # 1382800 Flatband from 1946. It is a 25-35 and cost about double what a standard 30 cal. brings. I also have three others. Another 46, a 47, and a 48. I have all three calibers.
Flatbands are very common in 30 and 32 calibers, but get a little hard to find in 25-35. I bought my 25-35 a few years back on the S&W Forum.
There are several variations of these carbines and I think, I have them all. Hard to say when new stuff is discovered at times.
My “W” marked Carbine is # 1264772, PR, 2-3-41.
Of all my carbines, I favor my # 1100457 “transitional” from PR, 1-25-36. At 99%, it is one of the nicest carbines I own. Has the 22-E rear sight and the ramp with hood, front, and the standard, early, carbine stock. Thanks for sharing. Big Larry
I’m trying to get every caliber of the Model 94 pre 64 era. 25-35 is the last. I have the two early 38-55 rifles a 1904 #207599 and 1912 #577409. also 1903 #200505 32-40 rifle, as well as a 1916 Saddle ring Carbine in 30WCF #831626. from there it jumps to the 1940 32WS carbine and on and on. Seems the 94 is a easy gun to collect.
I attached a pic of the Flat band without the Sight attached.
Dan,
Does your 1912 38-55 rifle have an octagon or a round barrel? Is it a standard Sporting Rifle?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
sgtsemo said
I’m trying to get every caliber of the Model 94 pre 64 era. 25-35 is the last. I have the two early 38-55 rifles a 1904 #207599 and 1912 #577409. also 1903 #200505 32-40 rifle, as well as a 1916 Saddle ring Carbine in 30WCF #831626. from there it jumps to the 1940 32WS carbine and on and on. Seems the 94 is a easy gun to collect.
I attached a pic of the Flat band without the Sight attached.
I have a minty 1903 shipped 32 WS takedown. I have all the calibers between my rifles and carbines. I have both rifles and carbines in 38-55, a 32-40 rifle, a 25-35 SRC, three SRC’s in 30WCF, and many pre and post WW2 M94’s. But, I like the M1892 mostly, but the cost on these is prohibitive. I have four. All 44 WCF. Undoubtedly, you have some fine Winchesters. I do have a real nice oct. bbl. 38-55 # 830132, PR,1-17-1916.. Real close to yours. Thanks, Big Larry
In light of the discussion and interest about the Model 94 Flat-band Carbines, I have a fairly extensive survey of them. Thus far, I have recorded 1,248 total Flat-bands, and the break down by caliber is as follows;
1. 30 WCF = 804 (64.42%)
2. 32 WS = 347 (27.80%)
3. 25-35 WCF = 97 (7.77%)
The extrapolated caliber production totals are are based on an extrapolated total of 135,923 Flat-bands manufactured;
1. 30 WCF = 87,566
2. 32 WS = 37,793
3. 25-35 WCF = 10,565
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, the 1912 38-55 has a round barrel and half magazine shotgun butt. Big Larry, I’ would love to see any information you might have. I did CFM searchs on both The 1904 I’ve posted photos last year.
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