Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Model 70 pre war? National Match?
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
New Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 2
Member Since:
June 5, 2025
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
June 6, 2025 - 1:31 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Just bought this beauty, but can´t identify if it´s a national match, I’ve tried contacted winchester but they only have the manufacturing date of 1946 which some people have defferred on that.

Hope someone mught be able to helpImage EnlargerImage EnlargerWhats-App-Image-2025-06-05-at-18-53-35-3.jpgImage EnlargerWhats-App-Image-2025-06-05-at-18-53-35-2.jpgImage EnlargerWhats-App-Image-2025-06-05-at-18-53-35-1.jpgImage EnlargerWhats-App-Image-2025-06-05-at-18-53-34.jpgImage EnlargerWhats-App-Image-2025-06-05-at-18-53-34-1.jpgImage EnlargerWhats-App-Image-2025-06-05-at-18-53-33.jpgImage EnlargerWhats-App-Image-2025-06-05-at-18-53-33-2.jpgImage EnlargerWhats-App-Image-2025-06-05-at-18-53-32.jpgImage Enlarger

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12769
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
June 6, 2025 - 2:46 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Model 70 s/n 54540 was actually manufactured in late November 1945.  Lou or Steve can tell to more about the identity of the rifle.

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Ohio
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 126
Member Since:
August 8, 2024
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
June 6, 2025 - 1:23 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

National Match rifles do not a a slotted front sight base for a hood.  Simply remove the front sight to check.  I can’t see the stock well enough to determine if it is a National Match stock.  The National Match Style Target stock was not checkered for regular production.

Avatar
Winchester, VA
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1251
Member Since:
November 5, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
June 6, 2025 - 1:31 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

Hi Asparagus-

Your Model 70 is a National Match rifle.  The barrel is what defines it.  The National Match was built using a 24″ standard contour barrel with a unique low front sight ramp that is not grooved on the sides to accept a sight hood and drilled for a barrel mounted scope block forward of the rear sight boss.  The rifle would have originally had a pair of telescope sight bases; one on the barrel 0.470″ tall, and the other on the front receiver ring 0.185″ tall.  Similar to this one (s/n 41035)…

Nat-Match-SN-41035-copy.jpgImage Enlarger

The front sight is a Lyman 77R globe installed using an AK height cross dovetail block. This was the factory sight.  The receiver sight is probably not original, as it is an early (circa 1947-49) “half block” Lyman 48WJS with the flat return spring on the left side.  The factory sight would have been a Lyman 48WH, which looks the same except for a 0.100″ “step-up” in the cross bar.  Is the stock inlet (square cut-out) for a “full block” receiver sight?  

Your rifle appears to have a modified Winchester Marksman stock.  It does have the hand stop adjustment rail in the bottom of the fore end, but I believe that the fore end has been slimmed down somewhat (the usual Marksman fore end is about 2 3/8″ wide) with added checkering.  Such modifications were quite common on target rifles.  Marksman stocks were not regularly checkered, although checkering could be ordered.  When they were checkered it typically looked like this (s/n 162446)…

Nat-Match-SN-162446-copy.jpgImage Enlarger

It seems to me that Type I (pre-war receiver) National Match rifles are quite uncommon.  I’ve only found a handful of them in the survey.

Best,

Lou

WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters

WACA-Signauture-3.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 276
Member Since:
June 1, 2023
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
5
June 6, 2025 - 1:45 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Great info, Lou.

BRP

Avatar
New Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 2
Member Since:
June 5, 2025
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
June 6, 2025 - 2:41 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Louis Luttrell said
Hi Asparagus-

Your Model 70 is a National Match rifle.  The barrel is what defines it.  The National Match was built using a 24″ standard contour barrel with a unique low front sight ramp that is not grooved on the sides to accept a sight hood and drilled for a barrel mounted scope block forward of the rear sight boss.  The rifle would have originally had a pair of telescope sight bases; one on the barrel 0.470″ tall, and the other on the front receiver right 0.185″ tall.  Similar to this one (s/n 41035)…

Nat-Match-SN-41035-copy.jpgImage Enlarger

The front sight is a Lyman 77R globe installed using an AK height cross dovetail block. This was the factory sight.  The receiver sight is probably not original, as it is an early (circa 1947-49) “half block” Lyman 48WJS with the flat return spring on the left side.  The factory sight would have been a Lyman 48WH, which looks the same except for a 0.100″ “step-up” in the cross bar.  Is the stock inlet (square cut-out) for a “full block” receiver sight?  

Your rifle appears to have a modified Winchester Marksman stock.  It does have the hand stop adjustment rail in the bottom of the fore end, but I believe that the fore end has been slimmed down somewhat (the usual Marksman fore end is about 2 3/8″ wide) with added checkering.  Such modifications were quite common on target rifles.  Marksman stocks were not regularly checkered, although checkering could be ordered.  When they were checkered it typically looked like this (s/n 162446)…

Nat-Match-SN-162446-copy.jpgImage Enlarger

It seems to me that Type I (pre-war receiver) National Match rifles are quite uncommon.  I’ve only found a handful of them in the survey.

Best,

Lou

  

Amazing info, I wasn´t able to get such a detailed analysis.  seems I was able to get a hold of a nice rifle!

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 4623
Currently Online: cj57, 1ned1, Mark Douglas, Keydet15, Blue Ridge Parson, Eric Houge
Guest(s) 71
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 7119
TXGunNut: 6300
Chuck: 5729
steve004: 5093
1873man: 4687
Big Larry: 2524
twobit: 2489
mrcvs: 2158
Maverick: 2004
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 18
Topics: 14599
Posts: 130293

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 2047
Members: 9903
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation